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She's not flagging

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Thickthroat

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I posted earlier about how one pair of mine wernt making end meet (lol) well now there's a little action going on in the viv with my other pair I said I tried to breed last year (snow corn and charcoal corn) except with this pair instead of the male running away it's the female. The male is all up on her back and keeps trying to wrap his tail around hers but there hasn't been and actual lock yet cause she's not flagging her tail.

I was wondering is there a dominance thing snakes do like dogs? You know how dogs hump things to show dominance? Do snakes do this too? These two snakes have lived together for about a year and haven't done any activities like this before so I'm really excited!!!! I really want a clutch this year!!

I'll put a picture of him all up on her in a second. What do you think will happen? Do you think she'll give in and let him mate with her?
 
The female is being harassed by the male, she won't let him mate if she doesn't want too, but constant harassment can be bad for her. They've lived together for A YEAR? Why? Cohabing a pair of snakes is frowned on for a lot of reasons, especially a male/female pair.
 
They've never been stressed out or had any problems being houses together until now. They are both in good enough health to be bred and I want a them to breed so I figured why not.
 
I'd say if they've been cohabbed, they'll breed when they're good and ready, if they haven't already done so.
 
Thickthroat said:
I know when my snakes are stressed.
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How do you KNOW? Can you understand them when they say they're stressed? Can you speak the language of the snakes? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just trying to figure out how you know, beyond all doubt, that your snakes are not stressed.
 
Your male is chasing your female around, and she is running away, I guarantee you she is stressed. She is being constantly harassed by him and they are both wasting a lot of energy running around, if you keep them together he will never give up even if she eventually lets him mate with her.
 
If you took the time to read any of the other posts I said "they haven't done any activities like this until now" so no she's stressed.
 
I know you won't listen but I am going to type this anyway so newbies won't think they do it so why not me.

Cohabbing is stressful, plain and simple. They are constantly competing for the best heat, best cool spot, best hide, etc. You would be stressed if someone was always in your bed, in front of your heater or blocking the ac. I get stressed because of my kids but I still eat and try to act as normal as I can so they won't percieve the weakness and take advantage (yup kids do that, ALOT). Bet your snakes are trying to be as normal as possible as to keep any percieved danger from getting them or trying to pick them off as a weakened specimen as happens in the wild.

Ok, off my soap box and back to my life. . .
 
You've gotten advice you asked for. You should use it.



Also, the male won't stop even if they mate, as said. And, since he won't stop, the female will be stressed unbelievably, and might die if you don't separate them. Allowing them to stay like this will also waste lots of energy.
 
I see them all day all night I live in a studio so I'm pretty well aware of their activities. I was asking why my female isn't in the mood and if the males behavior was dominance related. I never once said I wasn't going to put them in seperate vivs and in fact I already have. I wouldn't want a male all up on me like that either and yes it would be stressful. That's not the advice I was asking for.

So anyways I'll try putting them together again after I feed her a few more times and hopefully she'll feel ready and the sparks with flash.
 
I bet they "cuddle up together in the same hide"?

That's them competing for the best spot.

If you MUST breed (though I'd recommend doing a little more research first)...wait til her next shed and put the male in with her right after. I bet you get a lock then.

FYI...stress can also keep the female from ovulating, thus guaranteeing you will never get eggs.
 
No they don't "cuddle up". I don't think I'm that ignorant. I'm not a newbie to snakes just a newbe to breeding them and I have done my research what do you think I'm doing now? But this is a waste of time cause no body here is telling me anything I didn't already know. Thanks for the taking the time to give me your advice though. It's probably the only response that came near adivising my actual concern for posting.
 
If you've been doing your research you should know that cohabbing snakes is frowned upon. No, your male is not trying to show dominance to your female, he is harassing her to mate. After they come out of brumation you wait until the female sheds, and then you put them together overnight or a few days, definitely not for a year.

You said she is just now 3 years old, how much does she weigh?
 
good luck "thickthroat"....sorry if you don't like the advice given..but cohabbing is a very sensitive subject here.
 
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