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Snow babies from a candycane pair ?

wyzza

wyzza

b'jour ménamis amaréquain
Ok, here,s my 1st offical post :)

I got an answer on a general reptile forum, but I'd like to know what you guys think.

It's my first year breeding this pair

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I think they were both het anery because out of 20 babies I got 3 snows. It's very odd too, because they come from 2 very different sources.

The male comes from Kathy Love and after asking her she says it's not impossible there could be anery in that snake, but it's a very small possibility.

At first the snow babies looked normal, so I sold 2 of them.

I still have a bad feeder in hand and after 2 sheds he's starting to look different.

Here are some of the candys
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Did any of you ever hatch snow with a candy pair ?


If so, where they different ?


Here are the pics of the snows.... what do you think ?

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With a black backdrop, the contrast is extreme. It's not that "peach" in real
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Some said the will turn out to be candy and that they aren't snows..

Is that your call too ?

thanks

WYZ
 
......I think they are pale amels, and they will grow into their color. I had several amels that started out looking like opals this year that ended up being amels. They were very pale like yours.....and I've never seen any snows with that much red/orange .

Chris
 
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I agree that they are not snows, seems that I've seen quite a few posts with hatchlings that appear snow at birth or have a "tinge" of orangey pink, and as they shed seem to color right up and look like the rest eventually.

Just looks like you have some candies that are late color bloomers :cheers:
 
I'm not arguyin your answer but, Isn't it weird that out of 20, I got 3 like that. Almost the 1/4 probability that would result from 2 het anerys.

And none of the babies are "in between".. they're either very very pale or bright red and white.

What's the scientific genetic explanation behind that ? :)

I'm allready curious to see what will come out of next years clutch.

WYZ
 
Whats the scientific genetic explanation behind that

:shrugs: There isnt one!
Why is a frog waterproof? :grin01:
 
wyzza said:
I'm not arguyin your answer but, Isn't it weird that out of 20, I got 3 like that. Almost the 1/4 probability that would result from 2 het anerys.

And none of the babies are "in between".. they're either very very pale or bright red and white.

What's the scientific genetic explanation behind that ? :)
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The scientific genetic explanation is one of two things. 1) Not all aspects of the cornsnake phenotype are Mendelian traits. or 2) This particular aspect of the cornsnake phenotype is Mendelian, but isn't yet understood.

I'd guess the first explanation is more likely and that the developmental process of coloring up is not a Mendelian trait.
 
The simple answer to that is, that Erythricin is developed lately during the "lifecycle" of a hatchling in the egg. Some hatch quite early or developed their colors slower than others, so they come out with too few Erythricin in the skin. Wait two or three sheds and you nearly won't be able to distingush them from their brothers and sisters.
Same thing goes for Melanin - if you ever lost an egg or an hatchling and cut the egg, you may find plane white animals cause the didn't develop the Melanin yet. Another example is the Xanthin, which starts, especially in cornsnakes, to develop fully long after they left the egg.

Greetings
 
stephen said:
:shrugs: There isnt one!
Why is a frog waterproof? :grin01:
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thanks for that very clear and very relevant explanation.


For the others thanks for taking time to answer and for the positive comment on my pair, I,ll tell them you said they are good looking :)

So I'll put the little pale one I have left and observe it's transition.

I'll be back with some pics just for the fun of it.

WYZ
 
well

well I dont think there is a scientific explanation,it can be due to many different factors,therefore all the reasons givin are opinions (not scientific explanations),and that is what you were asking for, is it not? Sorry if it sounded rude,but to me its one of those questions that can not be answered with 100% certainity.I have hatched out clutches that looked like that and thought they were snows only to find out they were amels 2 or 3 sheds down the road,nice snakes good luck with them! :cheers:
 
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