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danz

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hello everyone! this board looks really cool! I have a couple of "Texas Rat crossed with Leucistic Corn" hybrids....at least that's what the pet store guy says. Does this sound right? I've had them for almost a year now. Also just got a baby Ball Python. Anyhoo, looks like I'll have lots to read here. I'm interested in Rat and Corn snake breeding. Well, back to work!

danz
 
Welcome...

Those snakes don't really look like hybrids to me, they just look like very attractive normal corns. But then again, it sometimes can be very hard to tell because rat snakes are basically the same as corns.
I noticed in the second picture on your site that both snakes seem to be eating the same mouse. This might not be the case but it is not recommended to feed two snakes together (and especially not on ONE food item) because one can end up eating the other. Try separating them in the future.
Neil
P.S. What type of substrate is that?
 
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Neil - I recognize that substrate. It's Care Fresh, made from reclaimed wood pulp waste (paper stuff) and we use it for our guinea pigs. It does say for reptiles also on the bags. Rather expensive stuff, but lasts longer with guinea pigs which are really pooping machines! - Ginny
 
welcome!

Oh yeah, welcome danz! How do you like using that substrate for snakes? I know it's also good for people with allergies to other types (shavings and such). - Ginny
 
Hi! Yes I like the substrate its does seem to last longer than the wood chip type stuff. And now that you mentioned it it doesn't dust too bad or make your nose itch like some. Thanks for the opinion on the breed, from looking around the net I was wondering if they were really Corns. I'll just call them Corn snakes.
Jeez yeah feeding time is like a frenzy time. It is a spectacle. The key is to give them 4 mice. That number keeps them distracted so that the other is busy when the next is swallowing. If I give them 2, I pretty much have a wrestling match that can go on for hours, and I have to pry them apart. So I give them 4. These Corn's have never been apart and they're pretty used to eachother. I'll try separting them (as long as I don't get bit ;) - I really haven't handled them much).


danz
 
um...no. I dont give them 1 at a time. Once, I gave them 2 and that's the description you've read. I give them 4 and they do fine (as I noted). Really, they do. Look at them their fine. I'm not a complete moron ya know.

danz
 
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you were a moron. I get really into things concerning corns' safety.

Giving them multiple food items doesn't ensure that they won't grab onto the same mouse. If you want to feed them this way, go ahead. It really isn't any of my business. But I really wish that you would feed them in separate places.
 
Gently Iris,
While I totally agree with what you say about housing and feeding seperatley, Danz may not be aware of the danger. I feel using words like stupid and fool can be a bit harsh. Danz, You will find, that for health reasons, housing and especially feeding your corns seperately will be in their best interest.
Best of Luck!

Matt L.
 
I know (D'oh! ::smacks forehead::) <--(I didn't mean this thing to be a smiley but it automatically does it) I knew I should have read it over before I clicked submit, but I was in a rush earlier. And I thought about editing that message afterwards but danz had already read it.
I guess I'll just delete it.
I'm such a hypocrite, too, b/c a while ago someone here called me stupid and I blew up and here I am being mean to someone else.
Sorry Danz...my intentions were good.
 
Hi all, yes Iris I understand where your coming from. Well, I'll have to say goodbye to one 29gal tank of fish. The Convicts I have are a pain anyways, and I can get store credit for them to use for rodents. Then I'll have one Corn in a tall 20gal and one in a 29gal and another 29gal for the Ball Python. BTW, I also have a breeding pair of Convict X Jack Dempsy. They are extremely agressive....

Last October I paid 45 bucks for one "Texas Rat X Leucistic Corn snake". Thats what the label said. I ended up with 2. I dont know if he gave me an extra or what but when I got home there were 2 (yes I feel guilty). There were quite a few babies in there, over 10, probably closer to 15. That was the reason I choose this snake, because it was a baby, it feeds, and its cheap. As of now I estimate them to be about 13 months old because he said they were born in July (they were bred right there at the store). The parents are still there. The mother was completly white with red eyes and the father was a big fat Rat snake (mostly rust colored with dark silver or charcoal). I'm 99% certain but I'll get clarification on this....I'll have to agree with the readers here: They look like Corns.

By the way, within the last month or so they have yellow color coming in around the bottom sides of their bodies. They look like fire when the sun is coming in the window. Really beautiful! I'll try to get some close ups of this.

I'm building a Pet Snake web page or two:
http://209.193.75.152/snakes
You can see pics of the Corns there. Please note that there is a picture where they are both grabbing one. That has been resolved so please dont tell me again.

I appreciate ALL advice and I'm sure I'll have more to share!

ps- If my pet store guy is reading this, sorry, I owe ya! Otherwise...BONUS!!
 
Hm...the mom sounds like it could have been a blizzard or pearl corn. Aren't they almost completely patternless and white with reddish eyes?
No clue what the daddy was though. Maybe just a normal corn?
 
We have a yearling Okeetee. When our neighbors first saw her they were shocked that we called that a corn snake. Texas country folk call corns rat snakes. I am unsure what they think a rat snake is. :)
 
Well, they aren't exactly wrong by calling it a rat snake. Corn snakes are a type of rat snake so by calling your Okeetee a rat snake, they're just being a bit more general.
:)
 
Corn snakes are rat snakes, another common name is "red rat snake". I believe that all snakes in the genus Elaphe are called rat snakes.
 
they're so ugly their ooogly (the fish not the corns)

You have very beautiful snakes, they have such vivid colors,....

I also have a jack dempsy fish, in with an oscar (big ugly ugly fish) in a 55 gallon, they are both super agressive fish so I am hopeing that they'll eat each other so I can convince my fiance (they're his smelly ugly mean fish) that I can have the tank for my two corns when they get bigger, because I sincerly don't want two 55 gallon tanks in my one bedroom apart. I need "me space" too...
 
Silvertounge,
Here in my "South" as you put it (Florida), a chicken snake is better known as a yellow rat snake. The name "Corn Snake" I believe came from the checkered belly, in a normal, it looks like indian corn. I think I read this somewhere so if anyone has better info, feel free to correct me. The name Red Rat Snake is also used, but I have found many people think these are two different snakes, mainly because there is so much variation in wild corns.

Matt L.
 
Danz,
I just wanted to comment on your snakes, they look nice, but about the cultivars>>> I have never seen a Leusistic Corn snake. I'm guessing that the mother was a Blizzard, the red eyes are a trait that leusitic snakes do not have, maybe a pearl, but I doubt it. The male could be a number of snakes, anery(you did say silver), emory's rat, maybe ghost--but thats a longshot. I'm not a hardcore "get lost with your Hybrids" kinda guy, I own several Creamsickles. and another pair of hybrids, but this is what causes all the problems, breeders breeding without a clue. I'm hopefull that you can get a positive ID on what the cultivars were, especially if your thinking about breeding. OH OH --and WELCOME! and please don't let any of this offend you.

Matt L.
 
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