Striped Okeetee?!

[blueturtle]

Well I went to the San Diego Reptile Super Show today and purchased what was labeled as a Striped Okeetee from LLLReptile. I wasn't aware there was even such a morph as a striped Okeetee but then again, I don't know much about morphs in the first place. :bang: Whether or not it really is a striped okeetee, isn't going to affect how much I like it. I wasn't able to find an abbott's as I originally wanted, so naturally I looked around for something to just grab my attention. It was between this one and a striped sunglow. I would have gone with the sunglow but due to last night's shinanagins, I was short on cash and had left my debit at home. :nope:

Anyway, to get to my point, if any one has any idea as to what I really purchased if not a striped okeetee, please pass on your input.

Also, if this is in the wrong section, sorry. Please feel free to move it accordingly.

Here are a few quick pictures I was able to take. They were taken outside to try and achieve a picture as true to color as possible.


All 9.3g!!

--Aida

 

[stephen]

I saw those!

I thought they had them labeled as hypo stripes? Hmmmm,alot of the cornsnake forum people were there but I didnt get a chance to meet you!

 

[Maize411]

He is beautiful no matter what...I would say he's more of a normal stripe...but I don't know that much about morphs either..still though..looks like a normal stripe to me..

 

[Blue Apple Herps]

I wouldn't call him an okeetee stripe. Stripe and motley both have hypo-ish effects, so creating an okeetee with nice blacks is going to be very difficult. Regardless, he's great looking!

 

[SnakesRule1234]

He looks hypo-ish to me..
He is beautiful nevertheless... a perfect stripe.

 

[doortech9]

What a perfect looking snake.... Nice wide stripes...... I want!

 

[cka]

Maybe the breeder used Okeetee stock or lines to cross into his stripes :shrugs: I think LLL buys wholesale, so getting any background would probably be a bust. Nice striped corn tho :*)

 

[blueturtle]

I thought they had them labeled as hypo stripes? Hmmmm,alot of the cornsnake forum people were there but I didnt get a chance to meet you!

I really would have loved to meet those of you who were there but seeing as how I don't really know the face that belong to the usernames that was a bit hard. Although I think I might have seen Gene from afar. I was running around last minute to try and make it back to validate our parking pass for the free 3hrs. lol


On the other hand, when I saw my little snake, I doubted that it really was a Striped Okeetee, but just loved its color anyway. I would just like to know what the biggest probability morph that it could be. Btw, when a snake is considered Hypo, what does that mean exactly?

 

[Susan]

Great little normal stripe! I wouldn't call it an Okeetee unless it came from locality stock. It does not have the Okeetee-phase look at all, which would be very difficult to produce in stripes. I know of breeders who are working on Okeetee-phase motleys and Okeetee-phase zigzags, but not stripes.

I also wouldn't call it hypo either. The stripe gene has a hypo-ish effect on coloration, but an actual hypo stripe would be much brighter than yours. "Hypo" is short for hypomelanism, which reduces the amount of black pigment. There are several corn snake genes that can cause hypomelanism (or at least resemble it), including hypo A, lava, ultra and Sunkissed. A good example showing the effect of a hypo gene is to compare an anery with a ghost...

 

[Nanci]

What a beautiful little snake! Maybe locality Okeetee stock, as others have said. Who cares- he's gorgeous! I think the normal color phase is one of the best expressions of stripe. It lets the pattern show up so well.

 

[TandJ]

Hmm.. There were okeetees at the show.. Not any abbotts that I spotted, but there was the big old burly biker man ( Steve Little ) that was selling them. I had to resist temptation to not buy them as they were gourgous.. Sorry none of ran into you, as there was quite a few members there yesterday, a couple that were working the tables and the rest of us wandering around and talking shop etc..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[StrangeCargo]

Pretty striped corn but I wouldn't call it a striped okeetee. Still it's a BEAUTIFUL animal that will grow into a great looking breeder!

Fourm member KJUN and I are developing a STRIPED OKEETEE LINE where the thick okeetee borders have turned into BLACK STRIPES. Many said it wasn't possible...they were outcrossed again into BOLD Ultra Thick Abbott okeetees this year... In the next few years they should hopefully hit the market!

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

Well, maybe they got that from reading Rich Z's discription of how he got his normal stripes?? came from okeetee lines.... so maybe that is how that came about?? But I got 2 normal stripes from Rich last year and the male looks exactly like that, were as the female is much more orange Pretty!!

 

[KJUN]

That's a nornal stripe - or a DARK hypo with bad lighting in the photograph. I vote normal striped. AS far as Okeetee, you can see for yourself that it lacks black borders to the stripe. Those decrease - NOT increase - with age, so it won't have them as an adult. Sorry, but that animals was almost definite misrepresented to you if you were expecting thick black borders. Striped - and to a slightly lesser extent, motley - DECREASE the black. It is the "job" of that morph. Trying to increase the black is darn near impossible until we locate a hypermelanistic gene, except that......

where the thick okeetee borders have turned into BLACK STRIPES. Many said it wasn't possible...

....Graham beat me to the punchline. We lucked into a reverse trio of "striped Okeetees" that were the F2 result from a stripe X Okeetee cross. They had a rather unusual pattern/colors for a striped corn, and they had 1 to 1.5 scale rows of BLACK on each side of the stripe. Fast forward a few years, and we have successfully outcrossed them in an attempt to bring in even thicker borders, and even reproduced more of them. A "visual" to "visual" breeding should occur in the next week or so (fingers crossed!), and we plan to share this line with others once we see the results of that cross. Like I said, this like is doing some really odd things that have us very excited.

Anyway, Graham, what do you say about letting them stew on that and not saying any more until we see the hatchlings from these visuals???? That's my plan.

KJ

 

[Rich Z]

Well, maybe they got that from reading Rich Z's discription of how he got his normal stripes?? came from okeetee lines.... so maybe that is how that came about?? But I got 2 normal stripes from Rich last year and the male looks exactly like that, were as the female is much more orange Pretty!!

I believe what I stated was that the genetic striped line actually originated from Okeetee stock in Europe that came from Ernie Wagner.

But certainly selective breeding stripes into the top of the line Okeetees available now could produce some very rewarding looking animals. There are lots of avenues to be pursued if you have the time and patience to do so.

 

[Maize411]

Wow I actually got a morph right...go me! :0)

 

[blueturtle]

Tim: I did see the Okeetees that were being sold but if I was going to buy one, I wanted it to have the thick black borders.
I did see at one of the tables 3 hatchlings that weren't labeled. To me they looked just the way Abbott's do as hatchlings. I asked what they were since they were priced at 19$ and i was told they were just normals. I'm not at all experienced enough to be able to determine a morph like that. Yet, I have noticed that normal normal hatchlings tend to show a bit more of their color than abbott's hatchlings. Or maybe its just me...


As far as my little stripe being misrepresented, I knew that from the get go. I wasn't expecting it to be a striped okeetee or have black stripes later on. I really did just fall in love with the color, striping, and white belly.

So looks like it is a normal stripe. Now to only hope that its a boy. I'm going to take it to a reptile place I know that knows how to sex them.