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Stupid question

pasam said:
Someone told me that Creamscicles are hybrids. Is this true?
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1st : there is no stupid question !! ( some times stupid answers :) )
2nd : I don't know if this is really a hybrid , because it was also a former Elaphe . I think they are more categorised as interstage ( or something like that with inter-----) . A hybrid sounds more to me like a cornsnake with a milksnake or a corn with a kingsnake .
However , using creamsicles in Pantherophis Guttatus is bringing different blood than cornblood in your lines ( I don't like that to do myself ! ) :wavey:
 
Some argue that it is an intergrade rather than a hybrid. I believe the intergrade might even happen in the wild (though I could be wrong.) Regardless, it is a crossing of two different species (Corn X Emoryi.) The non-amel crossing is commonly called Rootbeer, and the hypo variation of the cross is called Cinnamon.
Not a stupid question at all. It is definately something people should know, and gathering info is the reason this forum is here. :)
 
I think that word is intergrade -cross between two similar species in the wild whose ranges naturally overlap
But doesn't it still fall under the definition of hybrid being a 2 species cross even if the genus is (or was) the same?
 
Intergrades are members of a naturally occuring population on the border between the ranges of two subspecies. Intergrades have a mixture of characteristics from both subspecies (not species).

According to Webster's Unabridged, a hybrid could be the offspring of parents as unrelated as members of different families to as related as two individuals that are identical except for one gene pair. Out here in corn country, hybrid corn are produced by crossing inbred lines. So I tend to be pretty flexible about just what a hybrid is.

Even restricting hybrid to a species or higher taxonomic level cross, a P. guttatus x P. emoryi cross is a hybrid.
 
And then there is my immature/emotional response:
Creamsicles are beautiful! - especially my banded creamsicle girly. I mean a corn is sort of a type of rat snake afterall.
King/corn crosses are yucky - ewww, (and evil), even when they are pretty.
So there.
 
I dont htink King/Corns are yucky I think they are pretty. Would you all look down on me if I bred a corn/king cross?
 
Ratsnakes?

kimbyra said:
And then there is my immature/emotional response:
Creamsicles are beautiful! - especially my banded creamsicle girly. I mean a corn is sort of a type of rat snake afterall.
King/corn crosses are yucky - ewww, (and evil), even when they are pretty.
So there.
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I'm pretty certain Elaphe is the genus of ratsnakes, and guttata is a species. So basically corns are ratsnakes. :cheers:Some food for thought, how many subspecies are there of Guttata? How many morphs are already intergades?
:shrugs:
 
pasam said:
Would you all look down on me if I bred a corn/king cross?
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Some here do just that, and have beautiful results. Look up the thread, "who ate the mustard?" What a beauty! Now that tempted even me.
I don't like mixing kings with corns, but that is a personal thing. If ya gotta trick a king to mate with a corn instead of eating it, thats a bit on the unnatural side for me. To each his own I guess. :cheers:
 
pasam said:
I dont htink King/Corns are yucky I think they are pretty. Would you all look down on me if I bred a corn/king cross?
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No problem with them at all. Here you go: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32145&highlight=hybrid
Some people just like to give me a hard time about it, even if she said that they are pretty (post #11 in the above thread.)
And as far as the whole hybrid Vs. intergrade thing :shrugs: Taxonomy is so screwed up anyway, let's just say "one kind of snake breeding with another kind of snake." :grin01:
 
Here's the "Who ate the mustard?" pic from Carol. A king/corn I think.
VERY CUTE!
 

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lefty_mussolini said:
It's a Speckled King X Yellow Rat cross
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Would "Speckled King" be the same as a "Fl King"? One of our stores is starting to carry snakes, and that looks alot like the Fl King they had. Really sweet snake.
 
heres a question for everyone,how do you breed a corn and a king,without the king eating it? please tell me if this is a stupid question,but i cant see how it's done,not that i ever would!
 
I think what those sorcerers do is to have a male king in with a female king. Just before they mate, when he is going for it, they switch the female king with a corn. Evil!
 
snake5007 said:
very evil,especially if it eats the corn afterwards!
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I thought Black Widows & Praying Mantis's only do that. Now back to the subject of this thread. When registering a Creamcicle on the ACR,it seems as though they are treating it as an intergrade. Which brings up an interesting question.
Which parent was the albino in the first breedings? Was it the corn or the Emoryi ? Also What sex was the albino? Or were both parents albino's?What % is cornsnake in the creamcicles available today? :shrugs:
 
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