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Suboc guy with a closet Corn addiction.

Dusty Rhoads

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Hello from Texas, all!

Quick story about me: When I was 10-11 years old, we used to have quiet reading time during one of my 5th grade classes, and I would habitually wander over to the shelf and grab the “S” encyclopedia. (Three guesses why!)

Well, there was a picture of a beautiful South Carolina Corn Snake eating a mouse in a barn, and I dreamt (and likely even drooled) over that image on a regular basis. I bought Dr. Mike McEachern’s excellent AVS Corn Snake books, which were brand new that year, and did some more dreaming (and drooling). Then later that same year, Santa delivered an albino Corn Snake in a 10-gallon terrarium under the Christmas tree. :) That was nearly 22 years ago, and the love affair has never really waned.

In college, I set out to learn everything that was known about Trans-Pecos Ratsnakes (aka “Subocs”) and have published most of that accumulated info in a book (published by ECO, called “The Complete Suboc”) and a few subsequent magazine and journal articles, though I have much more I want to discover about them. I felt I could serve the herp community better by focusing on Subocs, so I guess you could say I took Subocs to the prom, but always like to dance with Corns. (For those interested, I have an academic interests web site on snake biology, where you can download a lot of those and other PDFs for personal use, here: dustyrhoads.x10host.com/)

I presently have a modest to moderate number of Corn Snakes (about 13), but also maintain Mexican Hognose, North Mexican Pines, Gray-Banded Kingsnakes, an Emory’s Ratsnake, a Checkered Garter, normal and anery Pseudelaphe flavirufa, and of course, a few Trans-Pecos Ratsnakes of various "paint jobs” and localities. I have a few Corn projects in mind and am working towards, and will post pictures as things progress. Some of my favorite "base-mutations” and combos are Charcoal, Honey, Tessera, and Extreme Okeetee.

Well, enough introduction for now. Thanks for having me and hope to meet many of you!
 
Welcome aboard! I no longer have any subocs myself, but still have your book! Glad to see you here.
 
Hello and welcome! I really like subocs, especially blondes and silvers! Keep thinking about getting one or two, maybe I'll have to look into your books.
 
welcome aboard...

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Your kennerlyi TX, NM, or AZ critters?
 
Thanks for the welcome, Nanci, Christen, and Tavia. This place seems like such a tight-knit, friendly group. i guess I should have expected that. Corns bring out the best in people. :) Looking forward to meeting Robbie, Nanci. And Tavia, there’s a lot of free reading material on Subocs here to whet your appetite: http://dustyrhoads.x10host.com/Dusty_Rhoads_-_snake_biology/Publications.html

There are even a couple of articles about Corns by Connie Hurley and Karl Switak.

Enjoy!
 
Hi, Chris! Long time no chat! Beautiful Suboc — my old geriatric Truth or Consequences, NM male finally passed away, but he was very orange like that one from Doña Ana County. I love NM Subocs. I would especially like some from the Carrizozo Lava Flows area, the darkest reddest Subocs I have ever seen!

My kennerlyi are from Presidio County, TX. Very beautiful. Will take and post pics as soon as my WC male sheds his “jungle coat”. He’s a looker.
 
It definitely has been a long time. I've been lurking over here and not much on FHF or SWCHR. I missed you the last couple of years out at the Feb NARBC show. I have a good friend that lives in McKinney, near the Baylor Hospital area and stay there when visiting though my wife and I are trying to turn those visits permanent.

I have a different friend that scored a typical straw-colored suboc off of 380 near Carrizozo a few years ago. Nothing I've seen yet compares to animals Doug Burkett gave Rob Albach; they came from White sands Missile Range up in the lava flows, burnt orange with belly checkering. I might have sent you those pics a LONG time ago.

My one and only T or C suboc was DOR, I haven't seen one since it, going on 3 years now. I spent way too much time and gas ($$$) going down that way this year and was skunked every time down there. The trip down produced, just not T or C.

I've a geriatric splendida from the Alamogordo area, been in captivity since 1995. He started getting cataracts last year. Still pounds his jumbo mice though!

I'm looking forward to the kennerlyi pics. I recall Hollister having some from there, as well as Troy Hibbits. But I could be thinking emoryi too and the kennerlyi being Marfa/Alpine critters.

I've got a decent locality pair (50ft separate their GPS cords) from north of Hatchita, NM. I've got recent pics of them floating around here (cornsnakes.com).... http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1565011&postcount=7
 
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It would be good to see you out here. Let me know when you come up.

Nothing I've seen yet compares to animals Doug Burkett gave Rob Albach; they came from White sands Missile Range up in the lava flows, burnt orange with belly checkering. I might have sent you those pics a LONG time ago.

Doug sent me those photos, and it turns out they have a single site in their mitochondrial ND4 gene that is associated with habitat. Apparently, there is some isolation between the lava and non-lava White Sands MR populations. Pretty cool. Do you know if Rob Albach still has them?

My one and only T or C suboc was DOR, I haven't seen one since it, going on 3 years now. I spent way too much time and gas ($$$) going down that way this year and was skunked every time down there. The trip down produced, just not T or C.

I’ll have to get you coordinates for that animal.

And nice Hogs! Wasn’t there a guy in AZ that found a couple of axanthic babies on the FHF a couple of years back?

Mine are from near Marfa, BTW.
 
Welcome!

If you have any tips on where I could acquire a young female suboc het for blonde and axanthic, I've been on the lookout for some time. :)

Catherine
 
DUSTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy cow! Never thought I'd see you on here! Some of your photos and lines are what got my partner interested in subocs and Bajas. We've got a trio of axanthic blondes right now, but one of his dream snakes is the Baja. Are you still working with the Strawberry Blondes?

I can't believe I missed this thread before... And sorry for my gushing fan-boy moment. People have asked me about subocs before, and I've always recommended your site and book to them.
 
Thanks, Robbie! LOL.

So many gushing fan-boys…so little time. ;)

The Strawberry Blondes are the main Suboc project I still work with. I think I’ve got, for the first time, a couple of gravid females from het x het crosses. My genetics spider senses tell me that these should yield the Strawberriest of Strawberries.

I see you are in Daytona. Do you ever rub elbows with Steven/Robert Cox?
 
Thanks, Robbie! LOL.

So many gushing fan-boys…so little time. ;)

The Strawberry Blondes are the main Suboc project I still work with. I think I’ve got, for the first time, a couple of gravid females from het x het crosses. My genetics spider senses tell me that these should yield the Strawberriest of Strawberries.

I see you are in Daytona. Do you ever rub elbows with Steven/Robert Cox?

If you're willing to part with a strawberry or two this year, I know where you can send them. ;)

Actually, my younger female is from Steven/Robert! We purchased her at NRBE last year (and a male from Lee Abbott). We really like the look of the axanthics with a faded pattern, so we tried to select the best of the best (in our eyes).

Here's my little male:

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The young female is a bit darker.

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And then our big adult girl is, well, just gorgeous. Lol. I know I've got pictures of her floating around somewhere, but just can't seem to find them at the moment.
 
That little male is a stunner! Do you know who bred him? I would like one like that.

Thank you! He was bred by Lee Abbott, but I'm not sure of the origin of his bloodline. He's also worked with his subocs over the last decade or so to get his animals to cycle and start breeding earlier in the year to more match the corn breeding season.
 
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