Super Okeetee from Mike's Motleys

[magick-bears]

Has any one heard of a Super Okeetee. She originally came from Mike Shiver of Mike's Motleys. I am trying to find more information on this line to see where/if this female (and any holdbacks from her) is going to fit into our breeding program. Her is a photo of her.

The main thing that I see that makes her slightly different from an average Okeetee phase is that her background is a darker red/brown rather then bright orange and she has a noticeable amount of white bordering to her.

While trying to research this here I came across an old (2003) post that Kat made http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=40115&postcount=1 about a "Super Hypo". I think that from reading the thread, if I understood right, this snake was determined to be an Ultra Hypo Motley. What caught my eye though was that this snake also had the same white borders that my "Super Okeetee" has and it also came from Mike's Motleys.

Does anyone else have any white bordered "Super" snakes from Mike Shiver. If so do you know anything on their background?

I'll be the first to admit this might just be a coincidence. However, I am hoping there might be a link. I would love to develop a line that consistently produces the white borders. So far I have only got the one clutch from my female and that was this year. So far non of the Normal/Okeetee babies are showing the white but they are just now getting ready for a second shed so I really don't expect it to show up (if it does) for awhile still.

Thanks,
~Jeff C.

 

[E. g. guttata]

Honestly, I don't see anything that makes this okeetee a "super okeetee". The white stipling around the saddles is normal, the ground and saddle coloration is normal. The only thing I can think of is that the saddles at first glance appear to be thicker than what is commonly considered okeetee, but I'm not sure about that.

 

[cornmorphs]

i have to agree, if you showed that to most corn breeders i would expect them to say the same thing.
although it is a nice looking snake, i dont think i would be paying more for it than a standard okeetee.

 

[magick-bears]

Thanks for the replies.

I am not saying I think that she looks different from any other average Okeetee. In fact I have seen much nicer. As to the white I have looked at allot of Okeetees and very few of them have white.

What I am trying to find out is if any one has heard of a line of "Super Okeetees" developed by Mike's Motleys and if so do they know the background on them.

Thanks,
~Jeff C.

 

[Serpwidgets]

Haven't heard of the specific line.

It may have been his way of internally dividing "the okeetees he liked more" from the "okeetees that weren't quite as pretty to him." Frank Pinello has some very very nice Miamis and he uses the word "super" with some of them, presumably to separate them from the not-quite-as-super Miamis he has.

As far as the white stippling, that is generally considered undesireable and bred away from, just like the dark longitudinal lines are considered undesireable and bred away from. The funny thing is that now they are relatively uncommon and when they are noticed, people will often say, "hey, that's a neat look, howcome nobody breeds them like that?" LOL

Personally, I think both of the above make them look "wild" or "dirty" or "unkempt" and I consider them to be undesireable traits. But if the white borders were made as huge as the black ones, it might be interesting. :santa:

 

[magick-bears]

Thanks Serp,

I personally don't like the dark longitudinal lines either though I do like the white. I also want to improve on the white if it is possable just not sure how. That is why I was hoping someone might have some info on Mike's "Super" line. That is also why I got excited when I found the post with Kat's "Super Hypo Motley" from Mike that also had white borders. I thought there might be something with his "Super" line.

Guess I am back to looking for a nice Okeetee male to go with her.

~Jeff C.

 

[E. g. guttata]

Thanks Serp,

I personally don't like the dark longitudinal lines either though I do like the white. I also want to improve on the white if it is possable just not sure how. That is why I was hoping someone might have some info on Mike's "Super" line. That is also why I got excited when I found the post with Kat's "Super Hypo Motley" from Mike that also had white borders. I thought there might be something with his "Super" line.

Guess I am back to looking for a nice Okeetee male to go with her.

~Jeff C.

The only suggestion that I would have is to get in contact with Mike and ask him why they are classified as "Super".

 

[magick-bears]

The only suggestion that I would have is to get in contact with Mike and ask him why they are classified as "Super".

I sent an e-mail to Mike earlier this week. I still have not heard back from him, which is understandable considering he has been out of snakes for a while. So that is why I posted here after finding the photo of Kat's "Super Hypo Motley". Oh well guess I'll never now.

Thanks for everyone's help.

~Jeff C.