I'm reluctant to post this thread, as I'm still not 100% certain what these actually are. Don from SMR has bred them to Kastanies, and so far it appears that the Javas are in fact Kastanies. Which I guess would in fact make these Mandarins? Either way, I thought I'd post some pics as the babies are so cute! They start colouring up so quickly after a few sheds - I love to watch them change colour.