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The HISTORY of the LAVA gene.
Compare this to the History of Tessera. I would like to speak about the TRUTH today. Do you know what a False Truth is? A Politically Correct false truth?
It is not true, it is false, or a lie, depending on what adjective you want to use or are they verbs? Do you know what a Debate Class teaches you, that you haven't learned? It teaches you that someone that has the Gift of Gab, can argue a False Believe, over the truth and convince you that the false truth is the truth, and the truth is questionable.
Here is what I discovered about the Lava gene. Compare my History to I don't know nothing. If you want to be wise, you need to learn the real truth, the only truth. There really is only two choices.
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The History of the Lava Morph is fairly complete now and I thought that it would be interesting to put everything that I know about it together in one place as condensed as possible. The first Lava Mutant was hatched at my facility in 1994. It hatched from some Okeetees that I had obtained from Gordon Schuett in 1992. I obtained a group of 7.7 Okeetees from him that were reported to be from wild caught Corns in Jasper Co. SC. I ended up keeping 2.4 of them and raised them up to breeding size. I met Schuett at a Snake Show and was impressed with him, because he was very knowledgeable about genetics. Schuett was a PhD from Wyoming State at the time. He went on to become the Professor of Biology at Arizona State and is now working as the Curator of Herpetology at Zoo Atlanta.
Schuett had obtained his breeding colony that produced my Okeetees through his brother, Kyle Schuett, who was working at the Riverbanks Zoo, in Columbia, SC. Schuett’s breeders were produced by Charles “Scott” Pfaff, who was the Curator of Herpetology at the Zoo and is so today. Pfaff had a group of wild caught Okeetees that he had collected himself. There was one male Okeetee that Kyle and Scott were particularly impressed with, which was collected at the Good Hope Plantation. “He lacked most of his black pigment and was mostly orange“. Kyle and Pfaff thought he was some type of “hypo” but did not look like the Lavas that I produced. Pfaff had used this male to breed to most of the wild caught females, which were mostly from the Hunt Club, but there were some that were from the surrounding areas that were very nice Okeetee Phase wild caughts.
Gordon Schuett’s breeding colony of Okeetees were F1’s from wild caught stock. I obtained F2’s from wild caught stock, of which 1.1 were carrying the Lava Mutant gene. The ancestry of the Lava gene is known, but I can only speculate as to which Corns carried the gene. Schuett had told me that there was one male in his colony that was particularly nice and he had used him on all of his females which produced the Corns that I received. Did this male carry the Lava gene? It seems likely, but it could have been any one of the females as well. It also seems likely that the wild caught male Corn from Good Hope Plantation, that appeared to be some kind of “hypo”, was the wild caught that carried the Lava gene, but any of the females that he was bred to could have also been the carrier. It will never be known for sure, because no other Lavas were produced from this line, except for the ones that I produced. We do know that one of the breeders that Schuett had in his possession was carrying the Lavas gene, and one of the wild caught breeders that Pfaff used to produce Schuett’s breeders was carrying the Lava gene.
The ancestry of the Lava Gene is registered with the ACR in this way, but I had to speculated as to which parent was carrying the Lava gene. We do know for certain, that a wild caught Corn that was bred by Pfaff, passed the Lava gene into F1 offspring that Schuett bred. One of Schuett’s breeders was carrying the Lava gene and passed it on into 1.1 F2 Okeetees which I bred and produced the first Lava at my facility in 1994.
I had been breeding snakes for 10 years when I hatched out the first Lava. My first impression of them was that they were an Amel, but soon realized that they were a hypo. They did not look like any hypo that I had ever seen before. At this time, in my snake “career”, I was heavily into breeding Boas and Pythons. I had various colubrids, but they were not my main focus. The original Lava was raised up and bred back to its mother and approximately 50% Lavas were produced. My knowledge of genetics was pretty basic back then, but the results of this breeding were in line with all of the other recessive genes that we were working with at the time. I continued to breed the original group of Okeetees from Schuett together and back to their offspring, but I also bred the original Lava to an Amel Okeetee which proved out to be het for Snow later on.
The Ice Corns were produced by accident. I did not know that the Anery gene was in the mix until later. I ended up holding back 2.4 Hets from the Lava X Amel breeding, and 1.1 of them proved out to be het for Ice later on. When I hatched out my first Ice, I knew that they did not look like any Snow or Ghost that I had ever seen before. They were a “white” snake will blue on their heads with ruby eyes. The Amel Lavas came from this group as well. I didn’t know exactly what they were at first, but I did know that they looked a great deal different than their Amel Okeetee siblings and they resembled Albino Burmese Pythons to me when they were born, so I held onto them.
Many of you that are reading this, may start to think that there should be a lot of Lavas around by now, after 11 years of their existence, but they were almost completely lost. I went thought a divorce five years ago and almost got out of snakes all together. Prior to that, my ex-wife was "helping" me clean the snake room that the Lavas were in, and unplugged the heater that was in the room. She plugged it back into a hot outlet and most of the snakes in that room were killed. The only survivors where mostly males that were on the floor and a couple of females.
Well, I did not get out of snakes, and in fact, my interest in them was rekindled, but my main focus became the colubrids. My collection eventually became focused on the Corns due to their genetic possibilities of creating new morphs. I still had these “hypo” Corns and “White” Corns and began to produce a few again. I took some to a show in San Diego, CA and the questions began coming about what their genetic make up was. Were they a Hypo Okeetee or a Sunkissed Okeetee? At the time, I didn’t even know what a Sunkissed Okeetee was, but I soon began a crash coarse and caught up with the current known genetics of Corn Snakes.
It became clear to me, that I needed to test breed these hypo Corns that I had to the other two known hypo genes to see if they were compatible. In 2002, I bred a male Hypo Corn X Lava female that had never been bred before. The results were all Normal Phase Corns, so I knew that the Lavas were not compatible with the Hypo gene. I wanted to finish my testing and contacted Kathy Love who I had known for many years. I was able to obtain some yearling female Sunkissed from her and raised them up. In 2003, one of the Sunkissed was bred to a Lava Male and all Normal Phase Corns were produced. It was clear to me that the hypo Corns that I had in my collections for many years, were in fact a new type of Hypo and began marketing them as such.
The name of the Lava morph came from Jeff Mohr. He had obtained some of the offspring that I had sold to Tim Rainwater. They were sold to Jeff as “Translucent” Hypos. I had sold them to Rainwater as “Transparent” Hypos. As names go, they evolve until the right name was settled upon. The Ice Corns have been called Blue Ice Corns and Lilac Corns among others. Thanks to Kat, who posted a thread on this forum called “Transparent Hypo? Blue Ice?” due to an ad that I was running, the history and the name of the Lava Mutant has came full circle. I became a member of this forum in 2003 and through the contacts that I have made here and the communication that the forum has provided, the Lava Mutant gene has been established as a new independent mutant and its name has been finalized. Jeff named the hypos that he had obtained from Rainwater, Lava Corns, since he could not find anybody else that had them and Rainwater was out of the picture. They reminded Jeff of Lava Flows that he had seen in South America. Jeff obtained some of my Transparent Hypos and test bred them to his Lava Corns and they were the same mutant hypo gene. I know a good thing when I hear it and the name of Lava Corns that Jeff was using was perfect, so I very willingly changed the name from Transparent Hypo to Lava.
The only thing that was left to do, to completely establish that the Lavas were a new hypo gene was to confirm the test breedings that I did to the Hypo and Sunkissed hypo genes. Kat, Carlos, Chuck and Connie, and Don S tested the Lava with Sunkissed and Hypos and produced the same results that I did, Normals. The Lavas were the third hypo gene that has been proven to be genetically in-compatible with the two previous known hypos. It has also been used to test out some of the other “new” hypo genes. It has been tested to Christmas, Strawberry, and Ultramel and Normals were produced in all cases. Today it has been established. That we have five independent hypo genes, Hypo (Hypo A), Sunkissed (Hypo B), Lava (Hypo C), Ultra, (Hypo D) and Christmas (Hypo E). It was also established last year, thanks to a thread started by Kat again, called the “Ultra Mystery“, that the Ultra gene is located at the same locus as the Amel gene and they are alleles. When combined they produce a sixth type of hypo known as Ultramels.
Well, there you have it, the history of the Lava gene as I know it. If you have time, I would recommend reading through the two above mentioned threads which has a lot of information in them. They really show the power this forum can have by bring us all together. It allows us to communicate and debate ideas and come to logical conclusions and new discoveries.
Below are some photos of two of the offspring from my original group of Corns that produced the Lava gene. They are female F3’s that are het for Lava. The entire group looked very similar to them. They were on the red side and the border areas were not particularly big, but very black. They also had some black frosting. So far, all of the out crossed offspring from this line, have been very red
I would like to encourage anybody that has Lavas or Lava Combos to post photos of them here to help establish a visual record of their phenotype. I will also post photos of them from time to time.
Here is an offspring from this line. Go to the ACR and follow his lineage all the way back to their lineages of capture. We only recorded what we knew for sure, and then as we learned more, we applied simple Corn Snake Genetics to the gene. This is why, I like Landrace over Mutant Corns, but do you see me not playing with them like Steve R?
You can not compare our Corns produced from our Mutant Corn Snake gene pool to wild caught Corns except to say, that the Wild Caught Corns are the standard for the purity of the line. I don't know nothing, does not compute to the truth.
RedCoat Landrace Okeetee het Lava ACR8422
http://herpregistry.com/acr/registry.php?idnum=8422
Compare this to the History of Tessera. I would like to speak about the TRUTH today. Do you know what a False Truth is? A Politically Correct false truth?
It is not true, it is false, or a lie, depending on what adjective you want to use or are they verbs? Do you know what a Debate Class teaches you, that you haven't learned? It teaches you that someone that has the Gift of Gab, can argue a False Believe, over the truth and convince you that the false truth is the truth, and the truth is questionable.
Here is what I discovered about the Lava gene. Compare my History to I don't know nothing. If you want to be wise, you need to learn the real truth, the only truth. There really is only two choices.
________________________________________
The History of the Lava Morph is fairly complete now and I thought that it would be interesting to put everything that I know about it together in one place as condensed as possible. The first Lava Mutant was hatched at my facility in 1994. It hatched from some Okeetees that I had obtained from Gordon Schuett in 1992. I obtained a group of 7.7 Okeetees from him that were reported to be from wild caught Corns in Jasper Co. SC. I ended up keeping 2.4 of them and raised them up to breeding size. I met Schuett at a Snake Show and was impressed with him, because he was very knowledgeable about genetics. Schuett was a PhD from Wyoming State at the time. He went on to become the Professor of Biology at Arizona State and is now working as the Curator of Herpetology at Zoo Atlanta.
Schuett had obtained his breeding colony that produced my Okeetees through his brother, Kyle Schuett, who was working at the Riverbanks Zoo, in Columbia, SC. Schuett’s breeders were produced by Charles “Scott” Pfaff, who was the Curator of Herpetology at the Zoo and is so today. Pfaff had a group of wild caught Okeetees that he had collected himself. There was one male Okeetee that Kyle and Scott were particularly impressed with, which was collected at the Good Hope Plantation. “He lacked most of his black pigment and was mostly orange“. Kyle and Pfaff thought he was some type of “hypo” but did not look like the Lavas that I produced. Pfaff had used this male to breed to most of the wild caught females, which were mostly from the Hunt Club, but there were some that were from the surrounding areas that were very nice Okeetee Phase wild caughts.
Gordon Schuett’s breeding colony of Okeetees were F1’s from wild caught stock. I obtained F2’s from wild caught stock, of which 1.1 were carrying the Lava Mutant gene. The ancestry of the Lava gene is known, but I can only speculate as to which Corns carried the gene. Schuett had told me that there was one male in his colony that was particularly nice and he had used him on all of his females which produced the Corns that I received. Did this male carry the Lava gene? It seems likely, but it could have been any one of the females as well. It also seems likely that the wild caught male Corn from Good Hope Plantation, that appeared to be some kind of “hypo”, was the wild caught that carried the Lava gene, but any of the females that he was bred to could have also been the carrier. It will never be known for sure, because no other Lavas were produced from this line, except for the ones that I produced. We do know that one of the breeders that Schuett had in his possession was carrying the Lavas gene, and one of the wild caught breeders that Pfaff used to produce Schuett’s breeders was carrying the Lava gene.
The ancestry of the Lava Gene is registered with the ACR in this way, but I had to speculated as to which parent was carrying the Lava gene. We do know for certain, that a wild caught Corn that was bred by Pfaff, passed the Lava gene into F1 offspring that Schuett bred. One of Schuett’s breeders was carrying the Lava gene and passed it on into 1.1 F2 Okeetees which I bred and produced the first Lava at my facility in 1994.
I had been breeding snakes for 10 years when I hatched out the first Lava. My first impression of them was that they were an Amel, but soon realized that they were a hypo. They did not look like any hypo that I had ever seen before. At this time, in my snake “career”, I was heavily into breeding Boas and Pythons. I had various colubrids, but they were not my main focus. The original Lava was raised up and bred back to its mother and approximately 50% Lavas were produced. My knowledge of genetics was pretty basic back then, but the results of this breeding were in line with all of the other recessive genes that we were working with at the time. I continued to breed the original group of Okeetees from Schuett together and back to their offspring, but I also bred the original Lava to an Amel Okeetee which proved out to be het for Snow later on.
The Ice Corns were produced by accident. I did not know that the Anery gene was in the mix until later. I ended up holding back 2.4 Hets from the Lava X Amel breeding, and 1.1 of them proved out to be het for Ice later on. When I hatched out my first Ice, I knew that they did not look like any Snow or Ghost that I had ever seen before. They were a “white” snake will blue on their heads with ruby eyes. The Amel Lavas came from this group as well. I didn’t know exactly what they were at first, but I did know that they looked a great deal different than their Amel Okeetee siblings and they resembled Albino Burmese Pythons to me when they were born, so I held onto them.
Many of you that are reading this, may start to think that there should be a lot of Lavas around by now, after 11 years of their existence, but they were almost completely lost. I went thought a divorce five years ago and almost got out of snakes all together. Prior to that, my ex-wife was "helping" me clean the snake room that the Lavas were in, and unplugged the heater that was in the room. She plugged it back into a hot outlet and most of the snakes in that room were killed. The only survivors where mostly males that were on the floor and a couple of females.
Well, I did not get out of snakes, and in fact, my interest in them was rekindled, but my main focus became the colubrids. My collection eventually became focused on the Corns due to their genetic possibilities of creating new morphs. I still had these “hypo” Corns and “White” Corns and began to produce a few again. I took some to a show in San Diego, CA and the questions began coming about what their genetic make up was. Were they a Hypo Okeetee or a Sunkissed Okeetee? At the time, I didn’t even know what a Sunkissed Okeetee was, but I soon began a crash coarse and caught up with the current known genetics of Corn Snakes.
It became clear to me, that I needed to test breed these hypo Corns that I had to the other two known hypo genes to see if they were compatible. In 2002, I bred a male Hypo Corn X Lava female that had never been bred before. The results were all Normal Phase Corns, so I knew that the Lavas were not compatible with the Hypo gene. I wanted to finish my testing and contacted Kathy Love who I had known for many years. I was able to obtain some yearling female Sunkissed from her and raised them up. In 2003, one of the Sunkissed was bred to a Lava Male and all Normal Phase Corns were produced. It was clear to me that the hypo Corns that I had in my collections for many years, were in fact a new type of Hypo and began marketing them as such.
The name of the Lava morph came from Jeff Mohr. He had obtained some of the offspring that I had sold to Tim Rainwater. They were sold to Jeff as “Translucent” Hypos. I had sold them to Rainwater as “Transparent” Hypos. As names go, they evolve until the right name was settled upon. The Ice Corns have been called Blue Ice Corns and Lilac Corns among others. Thanks to Kat, who posted a thread on this forum called “Transparent Hypo? Blue Ice?” due to an ad that I was running, the history and the name of the Lava Mutant has came full circle. I became a member of this forum in 2003 and through the contacts that I have made here and the communication that the forum has provided, the Lava Mutant gene has been established as a new independent mutant and its name has been finalized. Jeff named the hypos that he had obtained from Rainwater, Lava Corns, since he could not find anybody else that had them and Rainwater was out of the picture. They reminded Jeff of Lava Flows that he had seen in South America. Jeff obtained some of my Transparent Hypos and test bred them to his Lava Corns and they were the same mutant hypo gene. I know a good thing when I hear it and the name of Lava Corns that Jeff was using was perfect, so I very willingly changed the name from Transparent Hypo to Lava.
The only thing that was left to do, to completely establish that the Lavas were a new hypo gene was to confirm the test breedings that I did to the Hypo and Sunkissed hypo genes. Kat, Carlos, Chuck and Connie, and Don S tested the Lava with Sunkissed and Hypos and produced the same results that I did, Normals. The Lavas were the third hypo gene that has been proven to be genetically in-compatible with the two previous known hypos. It has also been used to test out some of the other “new” hypo genes. It has been tested to Christmas, Strawberry, and Ultramel and Normals were produced in all cases. Today it has been established. That we have five independent hypo genes, Hypo (Hypo A), Sunkissed (Hypo B), Lava (Hypo C), Ultra, (Hypo D) and Christmas (Hypo E). It was also established last year, thanks to a thread started by Kat again, called the “Ultra Mystery“, that the Ultra gene is located at the same locus as the Amel gene and they are alleles. When combined they produce a sixth type of hypo known as Ultramels.
Well, there you have it, the history of the Lava gene as I know it. If you have time, I would recommend reading through the two above mentioned threads which has a lot of information in them. They really show the power this forum can have by bring us all together. It allows us to communicate and debate ideas and come to logical conclusions and new discoveries.
Below are some photos of two of the offspring from my original group of Corns that produced the Lava gene. They are female F3’s that are het for Lava. The entire group looked very similar to them. They were on the red side and the border areas were not particularly big, but very black. They also had some black frosting. So far, all of the out crossed offspring from this line, have been very red
I would like to encourage anybody that has Lavas or Lava Combos to post photos of them here to help establish a visual record of their phenotype. I will also post photos of them from time to time.
Here is an offspring from this line. Go to the ACR and follow his lineage all the way back to their lineages of capture. We only recorded what we knew for sure, and then as we learned more, we applied simple Corn Snake Genetics to the gene. This is why, I like Landrace over Mutant Corns, but do you see me not playing with them like Steve R?
You can not compare our Corns produced from our Mutant Corn Snake gene pool to wild caught Corns except to say, that the Wild Caught Corns are the standard for the purity of the line. I don't know nothing, does not compute to the truth.
RedCoat Landrace Okeetee het Lava ACR8422
http://herpregistry.com/acr/registry.php?idnum=8422
