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Too many hides?

mcarabian

mcarabian

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So my sister and I are having a discussion about how Esteban seems to be getting a little thick around the lower part. He's only about 7 months old and from the searches I've done in this forum, I get the impression that it's almost impossible for cornsnakes to get fat until after they've become adults.

We're still a little worried though, and my sister proposed this idea. I want to run it by you folks before we make a decision:

Since Esteban was pretty young when we got him, we decided to put 4 hides and 2 water dishes in his 20 gallon viv so that he'd feel more secure. My sister figures that if we remove two of the hides (now that he's bigger and more comfortable in his viv), it'll give him more room and incentive to move around. He's especially fond of his moss hide and the big log on the warm side of the viv and he rarely uses the other two on the cool side of his viv.

Do you think he'll get more exercise if we remove the two hides from the cool side and move the log or moss hide to their spots? If not, what's a good way to exercise him (my sister is very much against the idea of the warm water in the tub thing since he hates it and it seems to stress him out)? I don't want to change his diet regimen because he's still young (a fuzzy every 7 days).

Any ideas would be appreciated and thanks in advance! :)
 
I would remove the two biggest hides that way he gets more exercise.I hope everything goes well. :crazy02:
 
I'd just say switch it up. Move the hides to different spots and whatnot. That way they still have their hides but they explore it like it's a completely new place.

~Katie
 
From what I've seen with my corns, number of hides wouldn't make a difference. If they don't want to cruise they'll find a place to curl up, even if you only have one hide. When my snakes are out at night, they crawl right over top of their hides and anything else that is in their tubs/vivs. Even when they have nice open spaces to cruise, they go right over top of water dishes, hides, etc.

Four hides gives him more options to chose from, but it's my opinion that he won't hide less just because there are fewer hides. It just makes his decision of where to hide a little easier :rolleyes:
 
Thanks for the replies! My sister and I decided to try both options: removing two of the hides one week, switching them around the next week. We'll see how it goes from there.

If Esteban reacts like zwyatt suggested it would, then we'll probably consider changing the feeding times.

Thanks again! :)
 
I dunno, do you really think you need to send your snake to fat camp?

To me, it seems logical for a snake to stay hidden through this point in their life. Baby snakes are bottom of the food chain. Anything that eats meat would be a predator. In addition, they seem to have a pretty high metabolism at this age and since corns are opportunistic feeders, its probably hardwired into their brains to conserve energy.

Seems to me if you reduce his food and shelters, he may stress a bit. However I am still a newb when it comes to snakes so I may just be talking outta my butt. :shrugs:
 
Can we see a pic of the snakey? I think we should first write down some opinions on wether he/she is fat or not... And if there are no pics available, size + weight will do well to make some judgements...
 
I sincerely doubt your 7 month old is too fat. They tend to use everything they eat to grow, and less than a year is not even close to slowing down. If you're feeding one appropriately sized meal once a week, you should be fine. Take him out and handle him more if you think he needs more exercise.
 
I wouldn't take hides out. Corns hide all day, so if he doesn't have suitable places to curl up then he'll get stressed which could leave him with health problems.

From what I've seen, Corns are individuals - either they're active or they aren't. You can't force them into being more active than they are. Taking hides away won't do it. If you have an inactive snake, then he'll just burrow under whatever you've left him and stay as still as he was before.

A photo would be really helpful - one fuzzy a week for a seven month old shouldn't result in a bloater!

You can take him out for some supervised exercise if you really think he's overweight. Someone near me takes in rescues and she has sessions of "walking" them up and down the stairs, which seems to work off the excess flab over a few months and improve muscle tone.
 
jenkva said:
I excercise mine when I take her out. 75% is handling and 25% is "snake excercise".
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I got this bizarre mental picture of a cornsnake trying to find toes to bend over and touch. :crazy02:

What do you do differently between "handling" and "exercising"?
 
Kitty said:
I got this bizarre mental picture of a cornsnake trying to find toes to bend over and touch. :crazy02:

What do you do differently between "handling" and "exercising"?
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LOL.... yes, and don't forget the push-ups and sit-ups...LOL

What; for me; is the difference is that the handling part is more letting her go through my fingers, looking at her, from one hand to the other. It is more that I want to see her and how she is, checking all is well, like a check up if you will but more selfish, more candy-eye ;)
The exercise bit is to make it a bit more difficult for her so that she has to work at going from one place to another without making it near impossible.
 
Wow, thanks again for the replies.

My sister and I figured out that we're being paranoid (after weighing the snake and taking his measurements and going online for comparisons). We were convinced of our paranoia when we noticed that he was slimmer a couple of days after the post, and, um, there was quite a bit of excrement that needed cleaning up (not a regurge though, thankfully).

So I'm feeling a little sheepish right now :dunce:

But thanks for the suggestions and the help, I love how supportive this community is :)

Here are the photos of the viv and Esteban after he's slimmed down some - just to make sure. Tell me what you think (he's in the blue right now so he wasn't too happy about being photographed next to the marker).
 

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Hey, Mcarabian's sister here. So everything seems alright with little Esteban? Awesome! Yea, we should have waited a bit before panicking, but we feel like new parents, where every little thing is a major event. If we had a closer herp vet, he would know us by first name basis. ;P But well, I prefer to err on the side of caution.

And hey! Your snake is gorgeous! I can't wait for Esteban to grow as big as that. He still feels too delicate and too much like a worm. Makes me wonder if he's rather small for his age too sometimes (short and overweight, poor baby! But we still love him! Although thankfully he isn't overweight anymore.) Thanks for checking him out however, and easing our concerns!
 
Hi Mcarabian's sister, welcome to the Forum too ;)

I know how it feels about being "first time parent" to these little ones (we all did have a first snake!) but don't worry too much.

If you think there is something wrong, just check a few things like, has he just eaten, are the temps right, humidity right, is he going to shed (mine gets grumpy a couple of days just before), etc... just do a mental check of the basics and you will find that 99% of the time it is just part of the cycles they go through.

Once he has grown a bit, you might feel more comfortable as there is more to hold on to and you won't feel they are moving like lightning and run through your fingers.
I still can't believe how much she has grown and I can't wait to see what she will look like as an adult :D
 
oh, I forgot, you could keep track of his length and weight so that you can see the progress.

Here are the urls for 2 great apps (amongst others)
FreeHerp.zip is to keep track of food, weight, length, etc... really practical even if you have only one snake like me.

Snake Measurer is to do what its name says... lol
With this one, it is really important that the pic you take is right above Esteban to make sure you are getting the right measurement and that it is reliable and he is not 20inches one month and 25 the next ;)
 
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