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Two different dads for the same clutch ?

wyzza

wyzza

b'jour ménamis amaréquain
Hi all !

Here are the details.

Female
Amel-Motley het caramel
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Male that was with her from March to July and the end of july to mid-August.
Butter het motley het hypo
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Since Mr. Butter didn't seem to do is deed, in mid-july I introduced my 10 month old male
Anery Motley het amel
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Outcome of the clutch

5 amel
5 Butter
3 regular Motley
3 amel motley

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Either both males got her or one of the male and my female have a 2nd type motley gene that isn't compatible with the standard motley gene.

What do you think ?
 
This is an easy one.

The normal motley has the anery motley as a parent.

Everything else belongs to the butter het motley father.

Why do you suspect there is a 2nd type of motley gene at work??
 
If there are non-motleys, I would say the non-motley male did breed with her. There is no reason to say that the anery's motley isn't compatible with hers just because there were non-motleys in the clutch...especially when you did pair a non-motley male with her. Or am I completely missing the mark regarding what you are asking/suggesting? :shrugs:
 
Yep, multiple dads can sire hatchlings in a clutch and it looks like you got one of those mixed clutches.

I had a female last year that bred to a motley the first time around and all of the kids had the same fiesty personality and a motley pattern just like dad's, which was pretty unique.

I bred mom (a motley) to a non-motley male for the second clutch and got a whole clutch full of sweet tempered non-motleys and one little fiesty motley with the same unique pattern as the father of the first clutch. This case was a case of sperm retention.

Amel mot het caramel F x Butter het mot het hypo M
Amel mot het caramel F x Anery Mot het amel M

Clutch:
5 amel - from the butter male
5 Butter - from the butter male
3 regular Motley - from the anery motley male
3 amel motley - could be from either male
 
Thanks guys, I just wanted to be sure that 2 males could in fact be the dads.

I was trying to calculate with different combinations of hets my snakes could have beed carying without my knowledge. But the only possible explanation was that both males were the dads.

thanks

WYZ
 
Nice group of breeders and babies! Any chance of you posting some additional pics of the anery motley male in full sunlight? He has a look to me in that pic that may want me desiring those three normal motley hatchlings.
 
Susan said:
Nice group of breeders and babies! Any chance of you posting some additional pics of the anery motley male in full sunlight?
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You're kidding me right ?
Or you're trying to rub in the fact that you're in Florida and me in Montreal freezing my a** off ! :grin01:

Sorry, we don't produce sunlinght here, we,re out of stock and it's back ordered 'till June (if we're lucky)

I'll take my summer depression pill now.

Ok, back to snakes :)

Here are some pics I took yesterday of my male and then some of the motley babies in full shed.

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WYZ
 
Your anery motley (he's absolutley gorgeous!) is alot bigger in the current pics than the original one you posted. And the baby pics are from a different clutch that the one in the thread topic, right? If so, and they are fathered by your anery motley, than I'm going to say that he, and the babies, are also dilute. I haven't seen pics of many adult dilute anery motleys to know just how much black they may have, but the younger (first) pic fits the dilute look. And those babies, even in blue, are nice examples as well...they perfectly match the grey carpet the deli cups are sitting on.

And if it's any consolation, it's just a couple degrees above freezing this morning here in "sunny" Florida.
 
Susan said:
Your anery motley (he's absolutley gorgeous!) is alot bigger in the current pics than the original one you posted..
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Yes the on the first pic I think he's about 6-8 months old.

The new pics are from yesterday, he's 15 months old.

Susan said:
And the baby pics are from a different clutch that the one in the thread topic, right?..
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Nope. They are individual pics of the babies that were in the clutch pictures.
But in the 1st pics they they weren't all there, I think at that time only 10 out of the 16 babies were out.

Thanks for the nice comments.

WYZ
 
Absolutely stunning critters!!! Butter is super nice!!

Sigh...I love anery motleys...Methinks I should give mine a bit of love when I get home... :)
 
Blutengel said:
Susan, I don't see any blue, not even a tinge in that male? I don't see the dilute trait...
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Then it must be my eyes as the first pic posted (not so much the older ones) looks very uniform blue/grey with the black outlines I've seen on dilute anery motleys.
 
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