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Two different kind of bloodreds.

Ronnie Bull

Ronnie Bull

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Is it true, that there are Two different kind of bloodreds ??

I have reasently bought two bloodreds from a petshop, and the dealer later told me, that there actualy was two different kind of bloodreds. One who would maintain some of the saddel-pattern, and one who would become completly bloodred.

Here are some pictures of my male from 05
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Bullx/Bloodred1.jpg
And
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Bullx/1.jpg

And my female from late 04:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Bullx/DSC00602.jpg
And
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Bullx/2.jpg

Are there realy two different kind of bloodlines, and will any of you be able to tell me, wich of these two my cornsnakes are from ??
 
bloodred???????

Ronnie Bull said:
Is it true, that there are Two different kind of bloodreds ??

I have reasently bought two bloodreds from a petshop, and the dealer later told me, that there actualy was two different kind of bloodreds. One who would maintain some of the saddel-pattern, and one who would become completly bloodred.

Here are some pictures of my male from 05
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Bullx/Bloodred1.jpg
And
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Bullx/1.jpg

And my female from late 04:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Bullx/DSC00602.jpg
And
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Bullx/2.jpg

Are there realy two different kind of bloodlines, and will any of you be able to tell me, wich of these two my cornsnakes are from ??
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Sorry bud, but I think you got taken for a ride:( Those look like Oaketee corns. If you want to take a look at Bloodred snakes, do a search on this forum and yuo'll find many pics on bloodreds. Also try www.cornutopia.com
 
They look like they could be outcrossed (het.) bloodreds, but not true bloodreds...What do their bellies look like?...

As far as "lines" go, the bloodred gene has been crossed into all kinds of different morphs...It's the same gene(s), just different looks depending on what the bloodred was crossed to and how many times that each "line" has been crossed in and out of itself and to other morphs...Some breeders sell 'High Contrast" or "bold patterned" Bloodreds, but they as much a product of selective breeding as anything else...
 
Look at the head patterns on both of them. They definitely speak "Bloodred" to me! I'm not sure if/how you can tell which one will turn out completely red, but I'm pretty sure that certain lines are more likely to turn out looking more "bloodred." My understanding is that there are not necessarily two different bloodred genes, possibly just different lines. Some may have been more outcrossed than others. In think that Kathy Love carries two "types" of bloodreds. Some that are less likely to turn completely red and some that are more likely to turn out completely red (more expensive).
 
cka, I was writing my post just as you posted yours. I didn't read it before I posted. Sorry if I repeated what you said.
 
Those look like they are het for the diffusion gene, which is what gives bloodreds their pattern. I guess you could say that there are two kinds of bloodreds:

1- snakes that are homo diffusion and are selectively bred for the classic bloodred looks. They deserve the name.

2- snakes that are homo diffusion and are not selectively bred for the classic bloodred look, but that many people call "bloodred" anyway. Here's an example of this second type, she is homo diffusion but does not look like the classic bloodreds. (I have no idea why people would want to tarnish the name bloodred by including these types of snakes, but many do. :shrugs: )
BloodMaryCollage.jpg



IMO your two will not turn into bloodreds as adults. Here's an example of a normal het for diffused:

SocratesCollage.jpg
 
zooguy said:
cka, I was writing my post just as you posted yours. I didn't read it before I posted. Sorry if I repeated what you said.
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no problem bud, I do it all the time myself :*)
 
Mine aren't two different kinds, they are just high end (diffused) and low end (bold). I wish they were all the best, high end ones, but no matter what they parents look like, you always get some babies that look better than others.

I also get some outcrossed bloods that definitely show the influence, but have some checks on the belly so can't be called "pure" bloods. I call them hets for lack of a better term.
 
My smalle male is actiually the one I'm worried about. He has some of the classical black cheeks on the sides of hes belly. I have just taken this picture, to show his belly.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Bullx/Bug-han.jpg

The female is completley white under the head (whitout any black cheeks), and again becomes more and more reddish towards the tail.

Not the best picture, but if it would help any of you determaning if it is a bloodred or a het, i can easily take a better picture.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Bullx/bug.jpg
 
Hmm Franklin...okeetee corns ??? :twoguns:

I sold these two bloodreds to Ronnie.

The first bloodred is bought from Xtreme Reptiles as a bloodred, not outcrossed or het.

Number two animal comes from germany and have these parents.

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As most people know the bloodreds does not look like bloodred when they hatch, they will gain the color when maturing...

Kathy...with your experience in bloodreds...i would like your opinion on those two corns
 
Ronny and Ricky, Where are you? I'm in Malmö.

We have some pretty ordinary excuses for bloodreds here in Scandinavia and there's a big difference between what some people accept as a bloodred and what others don't.
 
A I the only person who saw the top 2 pics and thought, 'thats a normal?'. Granted the head patterns wrong, and I have no idea what influences head pattern. Granted the belly has a split down the middle, but I thought that was some kind of het showing through.
I also can't see why they might be called okatees, wheres the bold black outlines? or would they develope with age?
 
Well, I've looked at the pics and I can say from what I've seen that they look like outcrossed bloodreds at best. I'm not terribly experienced with them but I've seen a lot of pictures and a fair number of animals in real life and they do not look like bloodreds, at any stage of their development, period.
 
The parents with the eggs look quite nice as far as I can tell from the photos.

The snake with the small blotches on the belly is not one that I would sell as a bloodred. Even if there are blotches smaller than that, I do not sell them as bloods. They must have a completely clean belly(although red /orange color is ok, just no black).

I don't want to comment on the blurry photo, although the belly looks pretty clean from what I can tell - it is not a very good photo.

Once you meet the minimum requirement of no black checks (not even partial checks - at least that is something you can see at hatching), there are still huge differences from one blood to the next. I have hatched some that have clean bellies but quite bold pattern, and I sell those as low end.
 
Hi Princess...

Both Ricky and I live in Copenhagen on "Amager" (you know, the island where the train to Malmö runes trough).
My friend Ricky has a petshop here, wich is probably the best reptile-petshop in Denmark.

Do you breed "Bloodreds" ??

Kathy> I'll take some better pictures of my female bloodred and then post them later.. Id would be nice whit an "experts" oppinion :rolleyes:
 
Well I've probably driven past your place a million times Ronny!

My boyfriend is Danish and I'm Australian and we've been living over here for 3 years (him for nearly 4 years).

I don't breed bloodreds but I plan to start with some pewters this year.

Which reptile shop in Copenhagen is it? The only one in Copenhagen I've been to is 'Poppy dyrehandel'.

It's good to see some locals here, I like to network as much as possible.

:cheers: Skål
 
He-hey, as a convenient coincidence to this thread, I just got an e-mail confirming what I thought all along, this normal 1.0 I bought a few weeks ago is an outcrossed bloodred!!

This is 'Norman'

Norman.jpg
 
Heh... I'm sure you have :)

Do you know anywhere, where it is possible to get some nice "clean" bloodreds in the nearby area ??
I have been waiting fore these animals for about 6 months, since there are nobody else keeping or breathing them in Denmark. And i my oppinion, it is whitout a doubt the most beautifull of all the cornsnakes, so i would really like some nice ones :sobstory:

I have actually never been to "Poppis", but I've heard, that it is quite good as well.

I'm not sure, that it would be okay whit my friend, if i wrote the name of his shop in this forum (He'd probably don't mind, but just in case), so I'll leave that up to him. But I can say, that it lies only a few 100 meters from the Metrostation "Lergravsparken" - Maby that will give you a clue ;-)

I'm moving away from Copenhagen in a few months. To a town called Esbjerg 300 km to the west (just about as far away from Copenhagen as you can get in a small contry ad Denmark)...

PS: I'm not really sure, what "Pewter" means - do you know the danis og swedish word fore it maby ??

Cheers Mate :cheers:


Kathy.
I have just tried to make a foto-session whit my female, but she didden't agre whit me totally, that she was going to get her picture taken :rolleyes:

Here is what i got out of it..!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Bullx/DSC00673.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Bullx/DSC00677.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Bullx/DSC00679.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Bullx/DSC00685.jpg

Any help please :shrugs:
 
I don't know that much, but i think they could be outcrossed bloodreds..
You can see pictures of my outcrossed bloods from juvenile till now, yearlings, here:
http://members.chello.nl/a.coenen14/p_g_br_het_.htm

There are some people here in Holland too who think they have bloods and outcrossed bloods and sell them for abnormal prices. Yesterday for example, i was visiting a specialized reptile shop here in Rotterdam. The guy, of who i was certain he wouldn't sell fables, offered me outcrossed bloodreds. I was absolutely sure that they were 'just' normals...
It was a big dissapointment to me...
But that's becoming more of a standard than an exception...

Arjan
 
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