Ultra Anery OR Ultramel Anery

[torsten]

hi all,

i know that ti is hard to tell but i was hoping some of you super experienced breeders out there might be able to help me out.

she is an 07/06(as in i can't remember which )




thanks

 

[torsten]

oops, those are pictures of a dilute anery:headbang::headbang::headbangdo you think he may be motley)yes i know "is its belly plain?" well i don't have a picture of that, but from its pattern what would you say?


now the pics of the ultra(mel) Anery?

 

[marinneli]

To me the diluted anery does look like motley: The saddles have straight edges (the saddles don't curve down towards the belly) and there's the long stripe on it's side typical to motleys.

 

[torsten]

the parents of the dilute anery came from Bayou Reps, do they sell plain dilute anerys without motley? i thought they only sold dilute anery motleys.

anyone got any thoughts on the ultra(mel) anery?

 

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

.....anyone got any thoughts on the ultra(mel) anery?

To me it looks like it might be in "blue". I would like to see some nice pictures of it's eyes. If your snake is getting ready to shed you would have to wait until he/she does so to get those pictures. This would be a great help in identification.
Jay

 

[torsten]

the dilute anery is in fact a dilute anery motley.

the ultra(mel) anery i do not own yet, i saw it for sale and am considering it, it was produced from breeding an ultramel het anery to an ultramel het anery, it apparently looked different to all of its clutch mates and the breeder thinks that it is an ultra anery.

i am trying to get a picture of its eyes but we will see.

i think i will get it anyway as i was hoping to get an ultramel of some kind this year or next anyway.

 

[torsten]

ok people,

they are both 07 hatchlings, and i am getting a picture of the eyes of the ultra(mel) anery when she has shed(just for you Jay!!)

oh and i am getting the ultra(mel) anery!!!!!

apparently she may be big enough to breed in 09 but i think i will not try until 2010.

the dilute anery motley however is having an appointment with my female anery stripe in 09!!!! i can't wait to see the offspring of those two!!!!!!

 

[panda]

Ultra Anery Picture

Here is my Ultra Anery Picture. I just proved him out this year. I had a perfect ratio half and half Ultra anery and snow when bred to my snow girl.
Of course mine is an Ultramel anery as opposed to an Ultra anery since I got snows in the clutch.
I would expect more yellow in an Ultra anery and the eyes are distinctively ruby in mine. As a matter of fact I bought him as a ruby eyed ghost.

 

[tyflier]

I'm not very experienced with the ultra gene, so take this with a grain of salt, but here goes...

I see too muchk dark pigment to be ultramel anery. I would expect it to be lighter, closer to an amel. That one looks like a really wierd ghost, not a really wierd snow, IMO, so I would guess Ultra Anery.

But shoot...that's an uninformed opinion...

And yea...Dilute Anery Motley. The side pattern gives it away...

 

[torsten]

well, thats what the breeder thought, he reckoned that it was an ultra rather than an ultramel(which is great, i have been trying to find a pure ultra for ages). it came from breeding a pair of SMR stock ultramels het anery, it was the only one which looked like this which talls with the odds!!

i will be doing a breeding with a het amel a soon as she is breeding size to prove her out though. can't wait!!

any other opinions?

i will post pics of her eyes as soon as she sheds.


panda, that ultramel anery has a lot of yellow, or is it just the picture?

 

[Mrs InsaneOne]

Ultramel Anery vs Ultra Anery..

I'm not sure if they are visually different, at least not enough to tell between the two. Like with regular Amels, Ultramel Anerys can have a wide range of colors and looks. I've seen some that are very dark and some that are exceptionally light. I'd imagine that Ultra Anerys are the same way.

The amount of yellow doesn't seem to me, to be an indicator of Ultra vs Ultramel either. I think the amount of yellow has more to do with the age of the animal, as it tends to develop as the snake grows older.

The only way to be certain if it is het or homo for Ultra, would be to breed it to an amel or snow. Unless it had come from Ultra to Ultra parents, which I know you already said it didn't.

It's hard to really say if that one looks different than a 'normal' yearling ultramel anery or not due to it being in the blue. Either way, it's a beautiful animal.

Here's a pic of our Ultramel Anery as a yearling:

You can see he looks fairly different from the other Ultramel Anery that was posted, but still not looking like an odd colored snow either. He has a definite look to him, and his yellows were just starting to come in at that time. If you're interested in seeing how he looks now, let me know and I'll snap a few pictures of him as he's almost a full year older than when that pic was taken.

 

[torsten]

it would be interesting to see him now, so if you could post pictures that would be good!! but mine does look darker than yours to my eyes??

i will be doing a test breeding when its breeding size to determine which it is!!

and i am getting some photos of its eyes and body when it has shed! also if anyone wants any other photos then i can take some when i receive her.

thanks all

 

[Mrs InsaneOne]

it would be interesting to see him now, so if you could post pictures that would be good!! but mine does look darker than yours to my eyes??

i will be doing a test breeding when its breeding size to determine which it is!!

and i am getting some photos of its eyes and body when it has shed! also if anyone wants any other photos then i can take some when i receive her.

thanks all

I'll pull him out tomorrow when I'm finishing up taking the pics of this year's hatchlings and than post the more recent pictures of him for you.

Also, one thing I noticed in two of our ultramel clutches this year, the females have all been darker than the males. Doesn't matter the morph, whether it was the Ultramel Anery kids or the Ultramel Creams, all the males are lighter in color than the females. I'll try to get a few comparison shots of them to show you the slight differences while I have their father out.

 

[torsten]

thanks, that would be great.
and that is interesting that the males have been lighter.

the ultra(mel) anery that is pictured is a female so maybe that accounts for something then.

when i prove out what she is i will post it.

 

[Mrs InsaneOne]

thanks, that would be great.
and that is interesting that the males have been lighter.

the ultra(mel) anery that is pictured is a female so maybe that accounts for something then.

when i prove out what she is i will post it.

It's not true in every case - but it is something that I've noticed in all of our clutches this year.

Anyway, here's a few pics of the our adult male that I just took:

And a belly shot:

He's developed quite a bit more yellow than I thought he had, but other wise he's not really that much different than he was in the older pics. Maybe slightly pinker... *shrug* Hard to see differences when you see them nearly every day. lol

Good luck on proving your girl out. Hopefully she'll prove out to be ultra..

 

[torsten]

i will create ultras eventually, even if she is an ultramel!!! but i do hope she is a pure ultra.

thanks