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what is this i still dont know

ROACHMAN

ROACHMAN

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i have seen the other ones and the discussions around the type of snake here is a couple of pictures ...if anyone need closer or other pics in order to tell me please ask and i'll post some ....i would love to know what this is....i just dont buy the king snake bit....i have kings as well and the head is not even close to the kings shape...king snake bodies are also stronger and stockier this is a looong thin snake with an elaphe head
 

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and the whole snake

here is the whole snake ...should i post a pic of the back of the snake as well ?
 

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nope

nope it is definately not a yellw rat ...here is my juvenile yellow rat a have a mature yellow ray as well , but this is just to show you the yellow rat in comparison ....
 

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well....

I still think its a yellow rat, the ones that I've seen are as light colored as the one you just showed now but the darker ones I've seen have been as dark as the first one if not darker. Anyway Im not trying to say Im a pro or anything but Ive seen enough yellow rats to say it looks like a yellow rat but I could be wrong Ill check back to see what other people say
 
Elaphe obsoleta ssp.

It is either a Black (my opinion), yellow, greenish, or grey ratsnake. Do you know where (locality) it came from?
 
nope

unfortunately i dont have a clue , i bought it at a petshop that did not even sex it ....so unfortunately i dont know anything ...i have grey rats as well and that one i dont think is a grey ...i dont have a clue ....so at the moment black seems more the correct descision ..is it not maybe a texas rat snake ?

It has a split tailplate as well
 
Well,

Given the un-prarie kingsnake fiasco in which I was involved on another thread (;)), I should probably just keep my big mouth shut on this. HOWEVER . . .I've never been too good at that!

It may be a black rat snake, but the juvenile ones here in the Ozarks are much more gray and bluish than that animal is. At first glance, my immediate impression was that it could be a young Kisatchie corn from Louisiana. You never did tell us what region you are in or were it is that you obtained the animal. That might help.
 
mister x

well thanx all , i'll check on the web for a bit more clues , but i also dont beleive it is a black rat snake it is to brown and "gold" if it has just shed it is a goldish color (the yellow on the pic) and the brown is getting lighter....
region ...well i stay in Sout africa so i havent got a clue about the region it was first found in ..i'll have a look at the Kisatchie's and see if he or she does not look like him ...i found a couple of pics on the net that makes me still think this could be a texas rat , but alas my seach continues
 
Sorry. I didn't even look at your location. South Africa IS just a little ways out of the Kisatchie National Forest in Louisiana!

:D
 
possibly a "rootbeer" or other integrade? black X yellow?

complete guesses really, but it does look a lot like a hatchling "rootbeer" I got in a batch of trouble-feeder integrades comprised of orange creams, a red cream, and some "rootbeers"....

^Curtis
 
Are you sure it is from N. America? I'm not too familiar with the Egyptians, but maybe something closer to you there in S. Africa. Steppes? I duno. At first I thought E.o.lindhemeri. The "stripe" through the eye may be a clue.
:Mark
 
Well I going to back up Curtis with the intergrade thoery, I don't know for sure so lets all ponder over this picture.
 

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No question as to species

There is no doubt that this animal is an Elaphe obsoleta ssp.
Unfortunanlty, it is almost impossible with the degree of variation that subspecies obsoleta, quadrivittata, and lindheimeri exhibit to nail down which one we are dealing with without locality data or simply waiting on it to grow into adult coloration. I have seen Black, Yellow, Texas and Black X Yellow intergrades (Greenish) that were similar enough to your animal to be siblings. So....at least you know it's a Ratsnake (Elaphe obsoleta) :)




Horridus
 
Here are a couple so-so shots of my integrade ratsnake neonates for comparrison
 

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I must say Curtis,

Those animals look especially WELL FED! :rolleyes:

Glad they're doing so well. Do you have any pics of the creams too? Maybe they should be posted in their own thread within the photo gallery, but I'd like to see them sometime when you get the chance.
 
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