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What morph is this?

A creamsicle is an amelanistic hybrid between a corn snake and an emoryi rat snake, no matter how many generations ago the emoryi was. Therefore, if it was labelled as a creamsicle, it is a creamsicle.
 
Lol just because someone says a snake is something in particular doesnt make it gospel. Looks like a plain Amel to me.
 
kiawoss said:
Lol just because someone says a snake is something in particular doesnt make it gospel. Looks like a plain Amel to me.
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Except that if you breed a 50/50 cream to a corn, and then that 25% to a corn, and then that 12.5% to a corn.... it looks just like an amel.

If the seller has labelled it as a hybrid, it's best to trust the seller in this case no matter how much like a corn snake amel it looks like because it CAN still be a hybrid.
 
Yep. If they labeled it as a cremesicle, that is what it is. No ifs and or buts about it.
 
It's not unusual for PetCo to have them. My friend works there, and all the babies come in labeled by the breeders. Sometimes, really neat things pop up and the people who work there buy them before they go onto the shelves. So if they told you he was a cream, chances are likely that is what he is.. and like mentioned earlier, if he was labeled as that, I would keep the label. You don't want to ever end up breeding or selling him as a pure corn, when chances are pretty high that he isn't.
 
If it was an employee just taking a guess then Id be more likely to believe it's an amel and not a Creamsicle. If the actual breeder(dealer) sent them labeled as creamsicles then Id believe it.
 
Ask them for the breeder's name and contact info, or give them your info and ask them to contact the breeder and ask them to contact you.
 
jjb911nj said:
The guy I bought it from said it was a creamsicle but I don't think so.
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You do not want to falsely trade a snake or hatchling that other breeders later find out is a hybrid.

There probably are a lot of snakes that look like cornsnakes that have hybrid ancestry 4+ generations ago.

If you breed two snakes that look like cornsnakes but have some few % of hybrid genes, then most hatchlings will look like cornsnakes but a few (one or two) in the clutch probably will not have the typical cornsnake look. These will be “throwbacks”.

Sometimes the throwbacks just look strange, but you can not trace back the species the hybrid genes came from. You have an increased genetic variation but the genes are combined in a totally new way the world have not seen before.

I have never ever to my best knowledge bred hybrids myself, but I do have got a few strange hatchling.
 
Can you post a little more clear it is possible the employees was seeing something that indicated it was a Creamsickle. It is also possible that the breeder that the store works with produces them, and the employee knows this.

Like mentioned, depending on the % involved, they can still look very much like pure Cornsnakes, even though they are a hybrid.

If it was labeled as a Creamsickle, I would stick with that.
When it comes to hybrids, you do not want to claim purity, if there's a chance that is not.
 
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