Hi i'm thinking of breeding a female amel and a male caramel corn together. This would be my first time breeding and i'm not planing on doing it this year, I just wanted to know what morphs i would get out of them. Does anyone know what morphs i would get? I'm not vary good at calculating it.
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What morph would i get?
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No, I'm afraid the first generation offspring will all be normals.
There is a chance that the parents have hidden recessive genes that might come out, if they are compatible. For example, if each parent had one recessive gene for, oh say, motley, then about 1/4 of the offspring would be motley.
If you can find out more about your snakes' geneaology, then you can get better answers.
There is a chance that the parents have hidden recessive genes that might come out, if they are compatible. For example, if each parent had one recessive gene for, oh say, motley, then about 1/4 of the offspring would be motley.
If you can find out more about your snakes' geneaology, then you can get better answers.
You would have to ask the breeders of your snakes. If you got them from a pet store, you're probably out of luck. If you got them from a breeder, like at a reptile show, for example, you would have to ask them what the parents were.
Also, the info might have come with the snake when you bought it, if you got it from a breeder. Possibly it came with documentation, or was labeled something like "Caramel het amel" or the like.
If you have any of that info, we can help you figure out what you might get besides normals. But don't get your hopes too high. Most likely, you'd get a clutch of normals.
Sorry i got an amel at the pet store that i don't know the genes. The caramel i haven't bought yet but i want one and i will get it in the near future. Do you know what kind of corn i could get to breed with my amel (assuming it has no hidden genes). I don't know what morphs i would get so i'm not sure if i'm using a caramel to breed with her.
If you want interesting offspring, look for a Caramel that is "het amel". Then you would at least get some amels out of the clutch. And some of the offspring would be amel het caramel. Two amel het caramels bred together would have about half a clutch of amel caramels, aka butter.
Of course, breeding siblings isn't a good thing in the long run.
Just to be safe, can anyone else confirm my genetic math?
airenlow
hope is not a strategy
Really, another Amel is the easiest way to get a visual morph from the babies. I believe an Ultra would work too, but they are harder to find. Almost everything else will give you Normal babies. Which, when bred together (3 years later), will give you some that look like the parents and some combination of the genes.
Your best bet might be to save up and buy a pair with compatible genes that you are interested in working with. I started with an Amel Motley...when I realized that he was a fairly common morph, I got a pair of hatchlings with the genes to make Lavender Bloodreds. Next year will be their first breeding season!
airenlow
hope is not a strategy
I believe it's 1/4 Butters, but close enough. You could also look into Fires, Opals, etc...anything that is homo Amel will allow for all visual morph babies. And anything het Amel will produce a percentage...
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ZoologyGirl
Under Tank Heather
I think Josh/airenlow is right...amel het caramel x amel het caramel would produce (theoretically) 1/4 butters. (All would at least be amel, and the genetic math for the het caramel would be: Cc x Cc = CC, Cc, Cc, cc...where only the cc expresses caramel)
A good rule of thumb to go by for (most) morphs is that if you want a certain visual trait to appear in the offspring, then both parents must have that trait either in homozygous recessive form (i.e. already expressing that trait), or have that trait as a het.
As an example...if you want to have amel offspring, then both parents either need to also be amels, or be anything het for amel.
If we take into account that your snake is an amel, and if we assume that it has no het's, then the only traits your amel could produce (besides normals) is amel (and only if you breed it to another amel, or another snake that is het for amel). In order to get any other morph in the first generation your amel would have to have that morph as a het. You could do test breedings, and see if your snake has any unknown hets. The most common unknown het to test for is usually anery so you could try breeding it to an anery and *hope*.
There is another "trait" however that you can consider when dealing with amel. There is another gene/morph on the same locus as amel and that is the "ultra" gene. When an amel is bred to an ultra it will create 100% ultramels. When an amel is bred to an ultramel it will make 50% amels, 50% ultramels. You might want to look further into this trait if you are curious.
And your other option would be to breed it to whatever you want, and then save some of the offspring from the f1 generation and breed those together to get something more in the f2 generation, which I think has been discussed.
PJ@PJCReptiles
New member
Here is a link to a great offspring predictor if you are interested. You click to download at the bottom of the page. It is clean and we use it and so do many others here.
http://www.cornsnakes.nl/GenericGenWiz/MPGW.htm
Josh gave you excellent advise! Here is the link to that morph page he was telling you about:
http://iansvivarium.com/cornsnakemorphs.php
http://www.cornsnakes.nl/GenericGenWiz/MPGW.htm
Josh gave you excellent advise! Here is the link to that morph page he was telling you about:
http://iansvivarium.com/cornsnakemorphs.php