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what would be a good project
- Thread starter redrott
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Susan
Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Since you want to keep your expense to a "minimum", but like pewters, bloods and butters, I would suggest a bloodred X butter pair to produce butters, bloods, and diffuse butters (plus others) in the F2. If you want to go a little more expensive, get a blood het hypo and butter het hypo original pair to add hypobloods, ambers and diffuse ambers (plus others) to the F2.
Joejr14
Grand Bubble Burster
I'll differ with Susan.
I think Blood Butters are pretty ugly, so I personally wouldn't suggest breeding with that in mind.
I dont know how much you're willing to spend, but you could easily get a pair of hatchlings (bloodred and charcoal) for less than $100.
You could even get a pair of say ambers het for butter and add something into them to be able to have fun with the F2.
I personally have a pair that I hope is ready to go next year. Female caramel het hypo, amel x normal het caramel, amel, motley.
The possibilities in the F2 are downright ridiculous. Everything from amber mots to butter mots to hypo butter mots to just amels, motleys and hypos. It'll be fun.
If you have something specific in mind, ie butter motleys, or specifically pewters then advice would be easier.
I think Blood Butters are pretty ugly, so I personally wouldn't suggest breeding with that in mind.
I dont know how much you're willing to spend, but you could easily get a pair of hatchlings (bloodred and charcoal) for less than $100.
You could even get a pair of say ambers het for butter and add something into them to be able to have fun with the F2.
I personally have a pair that I hope is ready to go next year. Female caramel het hypo, amel x normal het caramel, amel, motley.
The possibilities in the F2 are downright ridiculous. Everything from amber mots to butter mots to hypo butter mots to just amels, motleys and hypos. It'll be fun.
If you have something specific in mind, ie butter motleys, or specifically pewters then advice would be easier.
Joejr14
Grand Bubble Burster
redrott said:
If you want to make pewters, get say a pair of charcoal females and a male bloodred. Mate them, and you'll get two clutches of normals het for bloodred and charcoal--essentially het for pewter. Mating the babies back to each other will give you some pewters---1/16 odds. You'd probably be better off getting a charcoal het for blood and vice versa. I think Kathy had a yearling like that on her website, and I'm pretty sure Rich produces those every year. You could also get an anery female to also pair with the bloodred male, and create some granites in the F2.
Amber het butter x amber het butter isn't going to be anything amazing. Ambers and butters. If you were to add something else into it, like a butter het motley or a caramel motley het butter, you'd have a bigger variety in the F2 when you mated the babies back to each other. If you picked a pair of caramel babies that happened to be het for say amel, hypo and motley, you'd get a big range, just like mine. Amber mots, butter mots, etc.
Serpwidgets
New member
IMO the best project is one that will keep your interest for at least 4-6 years. I don't advise trying to figure out what everyone else will be drooling over 6 years from now, so IMO it's really not worth trying to come up with something that other people will like. Just find something you think will be neat to hatch out and go for that goal. 
You can probably find a 2004 or 2005 pewter hatchling and a 2004 or 2005 bloodred het charcoal hatchling pretty easily. These would be a great pair for you to breed because from the way it sounds, you like both of these morphs. They should produce a clutch that contains both of those morphs in every breeding, and no normals.
If you get a butter female and cross it to the male from the above pair, you can also get an F1 generation of normals that will produce some interesting (and by then probably still not that common) F2 morphs including bloodreds, amel bloodreds, butters, "cow plop corns" (LOL) and maybe a sulfur. (And charcoals/pewters might pop out in this line, too.) This will help you to stagger your projects so that you can have fun with the F1 bloods and pewters from one group while you're still anticipating the variety of grandkids from the other line.
You can probably find a 2004 or 2005 pewter hatchling and a 2004 or 2005 bloodred het charcoal hatchling pretty easily. These would be a great pair for you to breed because from the way it sounds, you like both of these morphs. They should produce a clutch that contains both of those morphs in every breeding, and no normals.
If you get a butter female and cross it to the male from the above pair, you can also get an F1 generation of normals that will produce some interesting (and by then probably still not that common) F2 morphs including bloodreds, amel bloodreds, butters, "cow plop corns" (LOL) and maybe a sulfur. (And charcoals/pewters might pop out in this line, too.) This will help you to stagger your projects so that you can have fun with the F1 bloods and pewters from one group while you're still anticipating the variety of grandkids from the other line.
scalesnthings
SNT Reptiles
Far as I understand it ( which isn't very far at all...) It shouldn't matter... But then again, I'm still mastering the complexities of multiple het. Punnit squares, so, ehh.. lol. bottom line, like Serpwidgets said, have fun with it. Do something you like, not what other people want. I'm breeding some Opal Motleys in a year or two, but I don't think I'll even sell any just because I love the Opal's so much, not to mention the motley pattern. I'm also breeding my Anery to my Amel Motley het. Lavender just to breed the babies back for a rainbow of grandchildren! It's just for kicks Let us know how it goes!
~Laine
Let us know how it goes!~Laine
scalesnthings
SNT Reptiles
Oh. went back and re-read it.. I thought you ment breeding a Pewter to a Blood and were asking which of the two should be female, Oops! I'm blonde under the brown, I swear...
~Laine
I'm blonde under the brown, I swear...~Laine
El Jefe
Mark 16:18
Serpwidgets said:IMO the best project is one that will keep your interest for at least 4-6 years. I don't advise trying to figure out what everyone else will be drooling over 6 years from now, so IMO it's really not worth trying to come up with something that other people will like. Just find something you think will be neat to hatch out and go for that goal.
6 years???
Heck I'm planning for a decade down the road!
I'm breeding my amel line pure so there are NO hets so when the market as become saturated with amel HET everything, I will have the ONLY pure ones!!!
Ha ha ha....
I'll be rich!!!
Plus, then maybe serp will want an amel!
:sidestep:
Serpwidgets
New member
Doesn't matter either way, unless you want to be sure to mix charcoal with caramel. In that case, make the male the pewter, so that you're doing pewter X butter. If you use a male blood het charcoal, then your F1s are only 50% poss het each, so when you are breeding your F1s to each other, you only have a 25% chance of pairing up two charcoal hets.redrott said:
Or make the butter a butter motley.
Whatever genes your originals are homozygous for will be positively carried into the F1, and can be recovered in the F2, so the more the merrier.
(No, you probably aren't going to hatch out that 4, 5, or 6 gene combination morph, but the number of normals you produce is greatly reduced, and the number if single and double morphs, as well as the variety in the clutch, goes up considerably.)