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Legalities of cross-border shipping?

Rigby & Marcy

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I hope this isn't asked every other week, but what are the legalities of shipping snakes from the USA to Canada? My background is gardening and I know with a phytosanitary certificate you can ship plants across, but I don't know anything about live animals. Is it something breeders can choose to do?

Alternately, is it legal if you go pick the snake up in person and declare it properly?
 
I would go up to the border very nonchalantly and throw the snake to you and run like hell.

I believe you do have to have a license of some sort, kind of like the plants, and I think it is the same if you come in from Canada and bring it back.
 
Meet and throw technique would be very convenient as long as the snake was packaged to avoid injury. ;)

Oh cool, so I found this: http://www.inspection.gc.ca/animals...-and-reptiles/eng/1326658752555/1326658911065
"Amphibians and reptiles (excluding turtles and tortoises) are not regulated under the Health of Animals Regulations (other than Part XII that regulates the transport of all animals). As a result, there is no Canadian Food Inspection Agency requirement to obtain an import permit, nor a health certificate. Under normal circumstances, there are no border inspections."

I guess it would be a case of finding suitable transport.
 
From:
First Name: Nanci
Last Name: LeVake
State: FL
Country: US

I breed cornsnakes (red ratsnakes, Pantherophis gutattus) for fun. I do not make a profit. I sell the offspring. I have a Florida Permit to sell reptiles, renewed annually. I understand Canada's regulations for a person residing in Canada who wishes to drive to the US, purchase a non-CITES snake for use as a personal pet, and return through Canadian Customs with it, having spoken to the Animal Health division of Canadian Food Inspection Agency in person. My question is, do I need a USFWS export permit, to sell one (or a few?) non-CITES P. gutattus to a person in Canada, who would pick up at a US-side FedEx (me being a certified FedEx live reptile shipper, following all rules and labeling regulations and providing a bill of sale and documentation of the US captive-bred status of the animal)? If so, what is the procedure after the buyer picks up the animal in the US- do they need to have it inspected by US Customs at the border port, to leave the US? And if so, then does the $93 fee apply, and how is that paid- at the time of inspection? I am speaking, again, of one or a few P. gutattus, to be used as personal pets by the buyer. Thank you very much for clarification.

Nanci LeVake


Ms. LeVake,

Thank you for contacting the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. If you sell your animals to customers outside of the U.S., you will need an import/export license, which allows you to engage in the business of importing and exporting wildlife and wildlife products for commercial purposes. You can find the application on our web site at <www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-3.pdf>. You will notice, when you open the file, that there is no return address given. However, there is a blue box that say,s "Click here for addresses." Please click on that box, which will bring up the list of our regional offices along with the states that each one service. Find the name of your state and submit your application to that one specific regional office. There will be a phone number and an e-mail address so that, if you have questions on how to fill out the form or how long it will take to process, you can contact the processing office directly.

You, or the buyer, will also need to contact the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service wildlife inspectors at the port of exit and arrange for them to examine the shipment and the paperwork. Assuming all is in order, the inspectors will then provide and help you (or the customer) complete the Wildlife Declaration Form 3-177. Whomever is actually transporting the animals across the border will need to contact the inspectors a few days prior to the expected departure date of the animals and make the inspection arrangements. The inspectors can tell them at that time what the inspection fees will be. You can find the list of U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service inspectors on our web site at <www.fws.gov/le>. Click on "Travellers" and follow the links for wildlife ports of entry/exit.


Regards,

Customer Service Center - Tier II
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
 
Thanks Nanci. I knew someone would have had to experienced this. The US information contradicts the Canadian information though - as far as I know, if I drive into the USA and go shopping, I only report to a Canadian agent on my return. I can't see how US Fish & Wildlife would even have contact with me, unless they were called in by Canada Customs, but wouldn't they warn of that?
 
I think because the US side of things governs the export of live animals and the breeder/seller of such. They have to be inspected to leave. I don't think the US side "cares" what Canada then does.
 
I went to the border to pick up my snakes, I live in Ontario, I had my snakes sent to Buffalo. I called F&W a couple times before I went, to make sure I had everything I needed, including the Wildlife Declaration Form 3-177.

They basically told me the opposite of everything they told Nancy..I wouldn't need an appointment because they were non-cites, I wouldn't need an inspection. I still wonder who the hell I was talking to, and how they could get their info so wrong.

Anywho, I did need an appointment, but luckily the officer who was dealing with me was understanding. He interrogated me a bit to make sure I didn't plan on selling the snakes, and after a bit of a holdup I was free to go with my snakes. He did however, tell me I should get an import license if I plan to do it again. I did not have to pay for an inspection at the US border.

I then went to the Canadian border, where I was told I had to get my snakes a vet inspection at a different Canadian border (which luckily was only 10 minutes away.) I went to the other border, where I was told I didn't need to get an inspection x.x ...I then just paid my duty of about 15$ and I was on my way home.
 
Thanks for sharing your experience. Since I posted this I found a sticky on the Canadian section of the forum with another version! If it ever happens I know approximately what to expect, anyway.
 
Contact Sam Fard with Reptile Express, he imports animals 100% legally and legitimately. Inspection IS in fact mandatory. We import multiple times a year (large shipments) anything over 2 snakes or opposite sexes will be looked at as though they will be used for commercial/breeding purposes and that is where you run into much more "interrogation" and possible issues.

I will direct Sam here again as he went over this a few months back.

I'm not too sure what morphs you are looking for but there isn't much that you can't find up here now...the only thing I haven't seen up here is Palmetto, everything else, you can obtain relatively easily.
 
I'm interested in some particular tessera morphs as, er, a pet. ;)
I have a couple of feelers out but just wondered what I'd have to do if the Right Snake popped up in the USA.
 
Good to see some winnipeggers around. If you are importing a non-CITES pet it is less of a hassle than if you import with the intent to resell or breed. Either way, why not just buy it in Canada?

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Good to see some winnipeggers around. If you are importing a non-CITES pet it is less of a hassle than if you import with the intent to resell or breed. Either way, why not just buy it in Canada?

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Oh, that's my preference for sure, I just haven't seen much beyond normals and amels here in Winnipeg, and shipping in Canada is crazy expensive!
 
Hi other Winnipeggers! *waves*
I would love to buy in Canada if I could find the right snake. BTW Tye, thanks for directing me to Wpg Reptiles. I had to get mice there and I totally geeked out for all the snake gear and bought Rigby a new cactus hide. ;)
 
Hi other Winnipeggers! *waves*
I would love to buy in Canada if I could find the right snake. BTW Tye, thanks for directing me to Wpg Reptiles. I had to get mice there and I totally geeked out for all the snake gear and bought Rigby a new cactus hide. ;)

Wpg Reptiles is the best! I was just there today buying mice for Kaa, lol.
 
HERE is a link to a fb discussion on properly and LEGALLY importing reptiles into Canada...if you can't view it, here's a quick run down of what consequences you COULD face.

~Up to $5000 fine (even for NON CITES animals, yes that includes a single corn snake, most guys you would encounter at the border won't be this harsh, but I do know of a few who most certainly are)
~A criminal record
~Barred from ever crossing the US border for the rest of your life.

Not to mention the black mark on the hobby that is left when you smuggle reptiles, because it is in fact smuggling. Maybe I'm just a stickler for the rules and care about what our hobby looks like to others (cause we all know it isn't the most admired and appreciated out there). For the integrity of the hobby as a whole, importing your "pet", which is clear is not your true intentions, is best done legally.
 
Oh, there is no way I would ever do it illegally, that's why I was asking, because it seemed so confusing, with everyone getting a different answer on it.
 
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