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Genetics/Morph health question...

EtR_Bliss

EtR_Bliss

Hatchling
I am looking into getting a Lavender Hypo Corn Snake...

I was wondering if there are certain morphs of the corn that are less healthy than another type (including a typical corn snake).

Mainly my question stems from the fact that most pure-breed dogs wind up having health problems that usually specify to the breed. however, mutts (mixed breeds) are a lot more healthy and tend not to get the specific health problems that it would if it were a pure breed.

My question basically is:
-are there any health-related issues with certain morphs
-and are breeders careful not to inbreed

Also, speaking of health problems, is there a certain sex of the snake that tends to have more health issues? (I've seen a female turtle on animal planet that had died because her eggs have become impacted which messed up her organ placements... :cry: I don't plan to breed my future corn (don't have one yet) and I don't want that to mess anything up "biologically" for the snake...

Thanks for all of your help and knowledge :bowdown::rofl:
 
Well you must realize that unlike snakes- dogs have been bred for hundreds of years- and also unlike snakes, people sought to make dogs bigger/smaller or otherwise very physically different from the original wolf.

The morphs revolve around defects in pigmentation, nothing more- people do not encourage the growth of physically different snakes but focus on coloration which should not effect or cause any given morph susceptibility to diseases.

Amelanistic cornsnakes' eyes are more sensitive, so direct sunlight is best avoided- but other than that, there's no difference between one snake to another.

As for sex-related ailments, well that depends if you plan to breed your snake- females naturally are far more vulnerable on that regard because they are the ones to form, carry and lay the eggs...

Other than that, it's pretty much the same- simply make sure you get your snake from a reputed breeder and know exactly what you are getting
 
Cool :) Thank you very much for your input and knowledge... :D

From being on this sight for a few hours, I've decided to get one snake (not two), a male Lavender Hypo :) (Since I'm not into breeding, I don't want to let the female's eggs go to waste)

...I was trying to add to your reputation, but a message box popped up saying that I need to gather up some rep before I give anymore out :(

Thanks again for your help and info :)
 
Susan said:
I did it for you. ;)
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Awesome! :D Thanks :)

Unfortunately, I think there is some sort of glitch under my account that has something to do directly with Kokopelli's account... For some strange reason I am able to give other members reputation points, but for some reason whenever I click on the icon to give Kokopelli rep points and it says "You must spread some reputation around before you give it to Kokopelli again"

The funny thing is, I didn't successfully give Kokopelli rep points yet... I've tried, but everytime I try, that messege box pops up saying those exact words ("You must spread some reputation around before you give it to Kokopelli again")

Is there a certain administrator out there that I can mention this to? :shrugs:
 
:dancer::crazy02:Woohoo!:crazy02::dancer:
I was finally able to give you some Rep :D Yay!
I have no idea why it was not letting me give you rep, but whatever it was is not doing that anymore :) yay!
 
............amel stripes with het caramel influence looks a bit different to amel stripe with no caramel hets - a little bit more orange.
...you could check out at www.serpenco.com
 
I read in one of the two:

The comprehensive cornsnake guide by Kathy and Bill Love
or Cornsnake morph guide by Charles Pritzel an explanation that might as well be the most accurate.

The word Het refers to recessive traits and by definition, they do -not- come into effect when paired with another gene. Therefore, using the word "het" and then stating that the trait -does- shot is a paradox. So said trait is other co-dominant to the gene which it is paired with in said specimen or there's another explanation. The explanation I saw was rather simple: In the making of the Caramel line, the most yellow cornsnakes were picked out to continue the breeding project and so, these snakes do carry a more yellowish coloration but it has nothing to do with the gene responsible for Caramel. Just like you the fact that you can have brighter/darker normals- they may seem very different but in truth they are both normals.
 
...of course, but it could be. check out het Motley or het Bloodred corns. there is no co-domination but these recessive traits could be visible in some corns. depending to selective breeding or not. nearly plain belly at het Motleys and different colouration at het Bloodred.
 
Kokopelli said:
The word Het refers to recessive traits...
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I wouldn't say that. The word explains the state or condition of either of the two genes that can reside at a locus. If the two genes are the same, the condition of the gene is homozygous. If the two genes residing at the locus are different, then each is heterozygous. An ultramel is still het for ultra and amel.
 
Roy Munson said:
I wouldn't say that. The word explains the state or condition of either of the two genes that can reside at a locus. If the two genes are the same, the condition of the gene is homozygous. If the two genes residing at the locus are different, then each is heterozygous. An ultramel is still het for ultra and amel.
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Yes- but both the Amel and Ultra -are- in truth, recessive. They will be overridden by the "normal" gene.
But yes, hetro can be expressed, true- but only when it's a case of co-dominance.
 
Maxim said:
...of course, but it could be. check out het Motley or het Bloodred corns. there is no co-domination but these recessive traits could be visible in some corns. depending to selective breeding or not. nearly plain belly at het Motleys and different colouration at het Bloodred.
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The term "het" is not used properly.

It means that two different genes reside on the same Locus, and if there's no co-dominance, it means that one of them will be overridden entirely and completely.
If we know for a certainty that the genes responsible to two different traits do -not- reside on the same locus- there can be no co-dominance, in other words- no showing of the recessive gene.
 
........back to the problem we should discuss here. I think (no, I know! I´m close in contact with some reptile vets!) health problems are not linked to the sex of the corns, rather if there is selective breeding or not. I know the were heavy feeding problems with some bloodred lines a few years ago. the same problem could be seen in high white lines. The immune system suffers a lot because of breeding siblings together over years and years.
Another point are the multiple genetics. -> Hypo A Anery A Bloodred Stripe for example. Please bear in mind, this is my own opinion, but not based on some experiences. I think these or other mulpible gens will produce not very healthy animals. But we will see in future time where the limit will be.
 
Kokopelli said:
The term "het" is not used properly.

It means that two different genes reside on the same Locus, and if there's no co-dominance, it means that one of them will be overridden entirely and completely.
If we know for a certainty that the genes responsible to two different traits do -not- reside on the same locus- there can be no co-dominance, in other words- no showing of the recessive gene.
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that´s the theory, but believe me, it would show up sometimes. if you don´t believe me, you could ask joe pierce and rich hume (for example). I met them personally last year and talked about exact this topic. They checked out some of my animals visually and agreed to me: I´m around with five striped anery females all possible het bloodred. three of them look very different to the other two - very high coloration like purple. I breed all of them them to the same anery bloodred male. the three different looking animals are definite het bloodred (they produced 5, 7 and 4 anery bloodreds), the other two produces 20 and 14 standart anerys only. so in anery bloodred stripe it seems to show up the het bloodred.
 
You misunderstand- Biology does not revolve around just snakes, or morphs.

The terminology is very specific, scientific and accurate. The fact that we have only breedings to use as ways to test our theories doesn't mean that such terms can or should be bended to fit us.

It simply means that that those traits are recessive to some traits, but not all, and possibly co-dominant to others.

The field as whole is not lab-tested, we work with educated assumptions, but they are in many ways, assumptions.

So I will agree that maybe alot of the morphs remain unexplored deeply enough, but you can't state that the scientific meaning of the word "Het" is a theory.
 
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