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They can drop infertile eggs all over the place, so there may be some more "stealth eggs" hidden away!

Infertile eggs are orangy and waxy from the get-go and won't go that way from improper care. So I'd say they were laid like that and it's nothing to do with any delay in finding them. No worries there.

Sounds like she's finished the job now. Sounds like you're taking it in your stride as well - good for you.
 
Yeah I cleaned the tank out (was time for it anyway) and there were no other hidden eggs. I'll keep an eye on her more closely for the next bit in case any issues arise, but she seems fine.

Those two eggs that looked okay in the group were not even remotely okay underneath, whether they were laid like that or it was from the delay in care I don't know, but I've gotten rid of them.

I learned a heck of a lot within a day, thanks to all who offered advice (even the more harsh advice, it still needs to be heard sometimes). I won't be keeping these two together anymore, but at least I know that they can potentially produce offspring in the future if I decide I want to go that route.

I was curious what they would have made though, the female in a snow corn and the male is kind of a buttery orange. Is there a guide out there to properly determine snake morphs and their potential offspring?
 
You'll need to keep an eye out for a another clutch just in case. They may have mated late in her ovulation and while none were fertilized this time it may happen during her next ovulation.


If he's a butter(amel caramel) and she's a snow(amel anery) they would have been all amels het anery caramel... It would be easier to say if we can see pictures of him...

I'm sorry the clutch didn't have any good eggs but maybe it's best for now since you weren't prepared. Now that you've learned from this you can be ready in case she lays a 2nd clutch. Keep reading everything you can :)
 
I am sorry the eggs were slugs, but maybe the best thing.
So if you want to do this I would do some research. You say Walmart was not great because only garden center or something, but the garden center would have lots of things you could have used. These are the kind of things you would need to know if you breed. Like grocery store rubbermaid containers, paper towels, deli-cups. Walmart garden center vermiculite, perlite. Not everything you need to keep reptiles is going to be in the pet section or a pet shop.
 
quidamphx said:
Alright I'm going to slowly respond with what steps I've currently taken as I also read the up to date posts. Yeah I do live in Canada, not really rural but the only adequate store I have in town in Pet Paradise (actually I should take off adequate cause they BARELY pass when it comes to snake supplies) and a Wal-Mart, which stupidly closed yesterday at 5pm. It's not big enough to warrant anything other than the garden centre being open today.

I still had one of those tiny plastic vivs they give you with a baby snake, and two regular sized vivs, one of which was occupied by a Prairie King. I fully cleaned out the 2nd tank for the male corn and moved the praire king (who's still a very small snake) into that little tank until i can get a third tomorrow.

Btw when I suggested a cardboard box it wasn't your typical 4-flaps kind :grin01:, but I avoided that anyway.

It's quite hot and humid in my room so I hope despite my lack of preparedness there's a chance these eggs will be alright. Seeing as the sex of my snakes is not what I thought (at least one anyway), is it safe to assume the other is a male. How would I know if these eggs are fertilized, or does that step come later?

Rich, as far as the not noticing the eggs immediately, I do change their water often but if one of my snakes decides they want to hide while I do so, I'm not worried as it's pretty normal. The eggs were also buried making spotting them difficult. The poo check comes regularly after feeding, they have certain spots they use (water dish for one of them) so I don't have to go digging too often either. Also they were sexed, but I obviously need to have this done again by a more reputable source.

I've tried everything in town to no avail today, I even drove around hoping there was something I didn't know of that existed.

To Vicki, I can and would put in the effort to raise them, however there were two no's in that group. One being the deformed babies, I haven't seen an article about that yet in my searches, if you care to enlighten me I can make an informed decision. The second being vet bills, there isn't a vet within at least 75-80km that will deal with snakes. I had an issue with one of mine about a year back and searched extensively.

Craigslist and Kijiji are both good suggestions, there is one egg turning incubator about 100km away and that's it, plus it's from a place that says to call during business hours. Helpful.

I do have another issue, and I checked every couple hours throughout the night and day to try my luck... Uhh, I can't get the female to move. She's snugly wrapped around the eggs, and will not budge. Usually I'd play with the tip of the tail a bit and it's never failed to send a snake on its way. I got a nice tail whipping around this morning as a sign she really isn't impressed.

Any other methods you'd suggest?
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If i may, allow me to extend an apology. I Probably spoke out of turn on this one without understanding all the variables involved. I am a "rookie" Myself...this is the first year breeding for me. I was quick to jump at your post simply because theres probably 100 of these type post a week. Again,being a rookie myself....I again probably should have Stayed quiet..on the sidelines...and learned a little more still. Thats what this hobby is really all about...it's about learning...learning from advice,learning from written text or learning by mistake. in all fairness...i should have allowed you that right...to learn from a mistake. Again my deepest apologies.
 
Airidies said:
You'll need to keep an eye out for a another clutch just in case. They may have mated late in her ovulation and while none were fertilized this time it may happen during her next ovulation.
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Sorry to use your post for this.

It is well known that some females, even if not bred, can/will lay eggs (slugs, actually). The eggs, that this female laid, do appear to be slugs. Since she laid eggs/slugs, she is, certainly, a female.
However, taking that into consideration, it cannot be assumed that the other snake is a male ... that one needs to be checked by someone who ~knows~ how to sex snakes.
With that said, I still would not co-hab even if both are female.;)
 
Question:

Where the 2 snakes sexed as males or females??

if they were both sexed as females...then there is a slight chance you have 2 females...one just layed an unfertilized clutch...they do that sometimes....right? But if you actually saw them mating...then nix that idea.
the reason I bring this up..is next season...when your ready to give it a go...and they dont do thier thang....then you've gotten your hopes up for nothing.

See Ya beat me to it!!!
 
That's very true they could both be females but i figured since they were both sexed as males at one point then there's a better chance that one really is a male. I figured i'd just give a heads up about a 2nd clutch anyway :)
 
Airidies said:
That's very true they could both be females but i figured since they were both sexed as males at one point then there's a better chance that one really is a male. I figured i'd just give a heads up about a 2nd clutch anyway :)
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Oh no you are right. That way the OP could be prepared for a second clutch if it happens. No matter if they are both female or male and female. What we do know is that there is at least one female. lol
 
Yeah they were both sexed as males, and I had observed them chasing each other around a bit but as no snake was visibly stressed I didn't worry over it too much, I just kept an eye on them and their habits. It certainly wasn't aggressive behaviour.

I had named my second snake Pandora (first was Lestat) even though I thought she was male. It's funny that it worked out the way it did.

I've attached a couple pics below. Not the greatest (phone pics) and they don't show the whole snake, but at least you get an idea of the colouring.

And no, Wal-Mart would have been fine if it was open. Only part of the garden centre was open today, and it's a small one at that that didn't have any items I could've used. There was no access to the inner store, they were just selling potted plants and had a few types of soil/mulch available. Honestly, Wal-Mart's in this area are pretty horrible, they're certainly not the superstore in Canada that they're considered to be in the US. The girl there didn't even know what vermiculite was.

What time frame would I be looking at to watch for sign of another clutch of eggs?

Oh yeah, the pics.
 

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Airidies said:
That's very true they could both be females but i figured since they were both sexed as males at one point then there's a better chance that one really is a male. I figured i'd just give a heads up about a 2nd clutch anyway :)
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Oh yes, a "heads up" is good.:)
Just wanted to point out (to the OP .. or anyone in general) about the other possibility.
 
Airidies said:
You'll need to keep an eye out for a another clutch just in case. They may have mated late in her ovulation and while none were fertilized this time it may happen during her next ovulation.
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What are the chances of this? My snakes definitely locked up at least 2 separate times about three weeks apart and the female laid a clutch a week and a half ago but it isn't looking very promising.
 
The left one is Lestat (hopefully male!) and the right one is Pandora, the one that laid the eggs. Hmm, come to think of it I didn't see her lay them at all, but she was the one wrapped around them that wouldn't budge.

And i'll try to get better pics but I'll probably have to wait, both my snakes are ridiculously active right now and won't stay still.
 
MikeyVee said:
What are the chances of this? My snakes definitely locked up at least 2 separate times about three weeks apart and the female laid a clutch a week and a half ago but it isn't looking very promising.
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It can happen. So be on the look out. Why aren't the eggs looking promissing?

quidamphx said:
What time frame would I be looking at to watch for sign of another clutch of eggs?
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Now I am only on my 4th clutch of corn snake eggs and only 1 girl double clutches for me, so I don't have much experience. But I would say anywhere from a month in a half to two months after 1st clutch could you be looking at the 2nd. I would read up on this thread http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111148 and do research on here of different types on incubation methods. We all do it a slightly different to what works best for us.

It looks like your other snake is an amel so if you bred them in the future then you would get all amels. Provided that there are no hidden hets in them that match. You can use this to play around with genetics. http://www.corncalc.com/
 
Oh yeah that happens when he humidity is low but that is ok. I would put moist moss or paper towel over them and after a few days they should plump back up.

I can tell you. I do shelf incubation. Meaning that I literally put them on a shelf in my closet. And because of our crazy weather my temps have been all over the place high as 82f and as low as 74f but I still see babies moving around in there. So dont give up just yet.
 
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