What do breed to a snow

[starsevol]

Don't worry about figuring out the odds of any particular combination of genes. It's a wasted effort of brain cells. Luck plays a MUCH bigger role in what you will get simply because of the smallish size of the sample being worked with. Statistics of this nature are really only meaningfull with a large data sample. When you are talking about 1 in 256 odds and only produce 16 babies, the percentages are basically an exercise in futility to even consider. You will get what you get, and no way to change that.

Yes, you are so right! I think when you have a clutch like that with so many genes running around, I guess you should choose your holdbacks as the ones that display the most homozygous stuff!

Nanci is right, it is a shame we can't rep you!

 

[dave partington]

Don't worry about figuring out the odds of any particular combination of genes. It's a wasted effort of brain cells. Luck plays a MUCH bigger role in what you will get simply because of the smallish size of the sample being worked with. Statistics of this nature are really only meaningfull with a large data sample. When you are talking about 1 in 256 odds and only produce 16 babies, the percentages are basically an exercise in futility to even consider. You will get what you get, and no way to change that.

Yes, you are so right! I think when you have a clutch like that with so many genes running around, I guess you should choose your holdbacks as the ones that display the most homozygous stuff!

So true. And the Corncalc sometimes lies. Some of these calculations give results of 1/12,500-ish. And then, would I know what homozygous combination I was looking at? Probably not. Because there would be hets leaking through. Which is why I am looking forward to crossing landrace lava (red factor, lava, okee & sunkissed) with lavender ghost mot stripe. I think it would be fun to have a clutch of normal corns for once.

 

[starsevol]

So true. And the Corncalc sometimes lies. Some of these calculations give results of 1/12,500-ish. And then, would I know what homozygous combination I was looking at? Probably not. Because there would be hets leaking through. Which is why I am looking forward to crossing landrace lava (red factor, lava, okee & sunkissed) with lavender ghost mot stripe. I think it would be fun to have a clutch of normal corns for once.

Dave, do you notice alot of hets that leak through? I am pretty sure caramel does, the lava boy you gave me is so so light (and sweet as pie too).
I try to keep things simple by only breeding genes that are easy to tell apart, but it is so cool to see the mind-blowing stuff you create!

 

[Mark Dwight]

If I had a snow, I probably wouldn't breed her with the way the market is right now, as snows aren't terribly exciting.

Snows aren't terribly exciting?? I couldn't dissagree more. To those of us who are interested in why color genes work the way they do there is no morph as interesting as a snow. And they are my favorite to work with.

Do you know why green blotched snows have green blotches? Do you know why Anery A does not remove the pink and orange in coral/neon/stawberry/salmon snows? Do you understand what changes are made to anery/amel when you throw in hypo to the mix? Do you know why some snows have lots of dorsal yellow while others only show the age developed yellow on the chin and neck? It goes on and on.

These are the kinds of things I'd like to know...and why to me there is nothing as interesting or as beautiful as a snow corn.

:cheers:

 

[starsevol]

Snows aren't terribly exciting?? I couldn't dissagree more. To those of us who are interested in why color genes work the way they do there is no morph as interesting as a snow. And they are my favorite to work with.

Do you know why green blotched snows have green blotches? Do you know why Anery A does not remove the pink and orange in coral/neon/stawberry/salmon snows? Do you understand what changes are made to anery/amel when you throw in hypo to the mix? Do you know why some snows have lots of dorsal yellow while others only show the age developed yellow on the chin and neck? It goes on and on.

These are the kinds of things I'd like to know...and why to me there is nothing as interesting or as beautiful as a snow corn.

:cheers:

Ok ok I take it back!!
One of my favorite snakes is my girl Solace. She is an avalanche. I had no idea her parents were het for anery, they are a bloodred and a fire. I hatched out an avalanche in 2006, and she was a non feeder and I ended up losing her. It took another 3 years to hatch out Solace, and I am glad I have her every single day!

I guess what I meant about "not terribly exciting" is that snow is a common color for pet shops to carry.

 

[Tara80]

Do you know why some snows have lots of dorsal yellow while others only show the age developed yellow on the chin and neck?

I could help a bit with this one.

Why...

 

[Mark Dwight]

I could help a bit with this one.

Why...

Thank you

Yes...All snows and anery A's will develope carotene/age related yellow pigment along their sides and head area. But the real question is why some will also have a strong yellow pigment pattern both dorsally and along the ventrals while others (most) do not. :shrugs:

:cheers:

 

[Shmoges]

Sorry haven't been around for awhile, I looked at the title to this thread and realized I didn't even form a proper question lol, oh well. To answer your questions about my collection star, we have recently acquired a few new snakes and traded a couple off at the last show in Denver.

After looking at a lot of pics of our boy from a local rescue maybe he is a hypo okeetee??

He loves his tube... We actually got him thinking he was a normal Okeetee but questioned his very very narrow borders.
My wife spotted this very pretty girl at scales&fails and we worked them price wise and got her for $32, I am assuming here she is albino okeetee or reverse.

I am very much aware of Rosy boa localities and am quit frustrated with peoples neglect of its relevance. Some are quite similar but many are distinguished from one another. My wife wanted to make room in our desert species juvenal rack for the hognose we have so we took advantage of our clubs first table at the show that was shared with our friends the Mile High Bug Club and tried to sell our male and female Ortiz Rosies. After hours of questions and interest but no buyers my wife mentioned that a guy we knew from the Colorado Herp Society had a booth almost right across from us selling kings. We have both been interested in them and he offered a trade for the Rosies for two of his kings! So we picked up a stripe male

and a lovely checkered female

About 20 minutes after the exchange a lady came rushing up to me asking if I had "Ortiz" Rosy boas, and was refered to by a vendor who we had bought a Brazilian Rainbow Boa from like 10 months ago that we had on display. Lol small world! So I refered her to the King snake guy and everyone was happy lol. Our other Rosies that we have are Anza Borrega M/F, Anza Borrega Hypo M/F, and Pioneertown M/F. Maybe I should have sold the Anza normals but oh well no regrets, at leis they are much better eaters than the Ortiz.

 

[Shmoges]

Rosy pics:

Pioneertown

Anza Borrego

Hypo

Otriz, not that we have them anymore

 

[Shmoges]

Oops I think the 3rd pic is of a hypo. Here are some pics of the show!

Our table!

Crafty vote with donations!! Bearded dragon won btw!

My display tank and Rosies

This is an anery longicuada btw star, semi dwarf sub species of red tailed boa. We had a slide show on the laptop of club event pics.

We co-habed him with our BRB just for the show and took them out often for holding and showing off, they were awesome display animals.

 

[Shmoges]

I don't have picks of the 14ft retic or 10 ft berm that a club member brought for display and holding because I was on hand sanitizer and head watch duty lol. There may be some on facebook.