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"Normal" Corn Snake vs. Other corn snakes

ArvadaLanee

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This is our sweet little baby, normal corn snake. I was just wondering, what makes a corn snake normal, because there were other, very different colored snakes that were also labeled normal. This baby might be called normal, but to me, this is a beautiful animal. Are there any advantages, besides color, to choosing any particular type of snake? For instance, is one color in particular associated with better eating habits, or temperament? Are corn snakes ever bred for these traits, or is it all about the color? What about size? I am just curious about these things.
 
Did you get your baby from a pet store? Pet stores can be very bad at correctly labeling morphs in corns, so while yours is a normal, the others marked that might not have been. Normals, a.k.a Classics, a.ka Carolina, a.k.a wild type corns can also be very variable in appearance. A normal is, well, a normal, the normal color and pattern you would see on nearly any wild corn in their natural habitat. The other "morphs" out there are animals expressing mutant genes, mostly recessive ones, that make them different from the standard wild type corns.

There isn't much difference between them other than the different colors and what's better looking in the eye of the beholder, although ones with lots of different mutant genes or newly discovered genes are worth/cost more, because breeders want them or people like the ones that are new and different.
Some of the morphs tend to be a bit more aggressive, like Okeetees and Sunkissed, some tend to be smaller and some on average bigger. But generally not a huge difference between the different corns. Most people are breeding for colors and patterns or the health of the corns but there is one breeder at least on here that has a Sweet corn project going, breeding for the most docile and friendly corns, without regard to their colors.
 
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Tavia, who is doing the "sweet corn" project? I'm kind of interested in that. I have a male and female coral snow that are absolutely the most docile corn snakes I've ever met. You open the tub and they slowly crawl right up to you, they are content to chill in your hand, and they have never scurried away or thrashed around. I swear they actually seem to enjoy human contact. I'm hoping their offspring will be similarly chill.
 
Shiari is the one with the Sweet corn project that I know of, but there might be others.
 
Thanks. I have a saffron and sunkissed tessera het caramel that are also SUPER calm. Since all my super calm corns are compatible genetically, I guess I will find out for myself how much genetics influences temperament.

Unfortunately I also have two HATEFUL man-eating reticulated corns I will be mating...
 
lol @ reticulated corns...

I could see that long term breeding matters... Lizards are different but I see a huge difference in Beardies and leopard gecko.. when I started with them years ago they were wild babies.. (almost 20 years ago), the ones that are bred privately today are of a total different temperament, not even as nervous as babies...

I see the difference here as well Avalon tavias corn is super chill and curious... Meanwhile one here is more like the one you describe and I have a few in between..

Arvada your corn is super cute and will most likely keep it's sweet temperament.. I don't think I have heard many stories of corns gone bad... (thank God or I wouldn't own them)
 
I'm sorry to say I have a corn gone bad! No clue what her problem is. She gets plenty of food, I feed her outside her tub, etc. She was always sweet as can be until a couple months ago. But now if your hand enters that tub it is a guaranteed bite.
 
She's a yearling. She's not truly evil. It is definitely a food response since she coils around my hand and tries to eat my fingers. If I lift her out of the tub with a hook she is her sweet self. Corn bites don't hurt but sometimes it takes forever to get her to let go, so I just use the hook now. All the other tricks such as distracting her face or hiding her head in a toiled paper roll don't work. As soon as I go under her belly to lift her up BAM!. I don't know what triggered the behavior change. She rarely hides and is always in "hunt mode" as soon as I open the tub.
 
Ahhh Ok... Maybe she's just a hungry girl... She probably just did an association that is hard to unlearn as food is THE most powerful learning tool. A trainer taught a hermit crab to pull a string to ring a bell with feeding it so I guess snakes can do similar association on good and bad..

No the one I have any for of human touch and she will bite ya.. But she's a scared hatchling... but she will be a good test for me.. lol but I have rarely heard of a corn going truly bad as in just straight mean/fearful/aggressive...
 
I really like the idea of the sweet corn project as well. With some animals, you would never ever breed an aggressive pet, but it seems like people who breed snakes are more interested in color, so I was just curious if there was anyone out there breeding for other traits. The other snakes I saw labeled as normal that were different colors were one like mine, but with quite a bit more red, and one that might have been albino? I think another interesting trait to breed for could be size. I am still super new to snake ownership, but I have read the size difference can be anywhere from 3 1/2 feet on the super small end, to 6 feet on the large end. (Of course, being so new, I don't know if this is accurate!) If you could breed for size, you could sell snakes with a much more accurate prediction of size. I could see that being pretty cool. Honestly, though, the sweet corn thing is what I would pick, if I were to buy another snake. Is the person who does this a member of this forum? Just for future reference, in case I ever do decide to look for another baby. ;)
 
She's a yearling. She's not truly evil. It is definitely a food response since she coils around my hand and tries to eat my fingers. If I lift her out of the tub with a hook she is her sweet self. Corn bites don't hurt but sometimes it takes forever to get her to let go, so I just use the hook now. All the other tricks such as distracting her face or hiding her head in a toiled paper roll don't work. As soon as I go under her belly to lift her up BAM!. I don't know what triggered the behavior change. She rarely hides and is always in "hunt mode" as soon as I open the tub.

Although the chances are slim, she might be gravid even at her age and time of year.

I had 2 females, a 2 and a 13 year old, getting feisty on me last spring (which is why this may not add up) and the 13 year old who had always been a sweetheart struck and hissed and was totally pissy for weeks. The 2 year old just tore up her viv, was more aggressive than usual and just not herself.

After a week I noticed the 2 year old laid 8 slugs (all smaller than marbles, and I found 4 more when I thoroughly cleaned her viv a few weeks later that were just really tiny) and I immediately put a "lay box" in the older girl's viv. I used a shoebox and damp sphagnum moss and she couldn't get in there quick enough, stayed in for a couple of days and died as she crawled out of it. She laid a bunch of slugs too, and was being really protective of her habitat and I think not having a good place to lay was her demise.

The older one was a rescue, the younger one was my first corn and neither had ever been bred or cohabbed with any other snakes (at least mine wasn't for sure, the old owners said that the Snow had never been bred or cohabbed either).

I was horrified, I have no plans to ever breed my kiddos, many are rescues, and I really take pride in the forever homes I make for them. This was a learning experience, I know, so I am passing this to you. Maybe make a lay box (I used a cardboard shoebox out of quick necessity) that is totally dark filled with damp sphagnum `but with a hole to get in and out of and see what happens. Worst thing is that I was wrong, but if I am right I don't want you to go through what I did with my pissy girls.

Let me know what happens, and I hope all is good for you!
 
Wow Thank you for this information Smigon <3
For me as a new corn owner with boys and girls this is a vital part of the stuff I should know that I had not come across yet..
 
Wow Thank you for this information Smigon <3
For me as a new corn owner with boys and girls this is a vital part of the stuff I should know that I had not come across yet..

No, you SHOULDN'T have known it! This is not covered in most publications as it is not a common thing. I read every book cover to cover (except the breeding parts which I have no intention of ever doing) and have been on this forum almost 2 years and I had no idea what was going on. I wish someone would have warned me about slugs, I thought they were laid with the live eggs, but obviously non-pregnant females have them too. I think the hormones were raging last spring, most breeders said they were having problems with their snakes too, some things they had never seen before. Plus, all my kiddos are in one room, males and females, so the scent of the females (and visa versa) may have triggered their hormones.

Just keep an eye on her, try a lay box and see what happens.
 
I'm very bad at forgetting to pass this on too. I knew about it fairly early on because I asked or read a thread, can't remember now, questioning whether there is any differences between male and female snakes that might make one a better pet and was told largely, no. That females can and do sometimes lay infertile eggs even when not bred and can sometimes have complications from that. Males can also sometimes have gender related health issues too, although that's even rarer, especially for a non breeding snake.

There must have been something weird about last year, alright! Something in the air. All of my adult or near adult snakes acted way weirder than normal around breeding season last year, though none of them were bred that year.
And my 5 year old unsexed Classic pet store corn Tavi did it's usual thing, went on a 50 to 60 day feeding strike in the spring, it had been doing that since it was 3 years old, which had about convinced me it was a Tavius. But that year it refused a bit longer than usual and started looking really skinny and dull and just not good generally and I was getting concerned. Then I went to offer food again one day and encountered this when I lifted the water bowl off it,

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Which at least answered the gender/name question! She is a Tavia! She laid 14 eggs in total, found 11 to begin with and the others awhile later when I deep cleaned her cage. Oddly enough, some of them even looked nearly fertile.

After that, I started giving almost all of the snakes a humid hide at all times, even the males. They all seem to really like them and if any of the girls decide to surprise us again like that, they will have a better place to deposit them in future.

A humid hide is cheap and easy to make. Just take some kind of plastic tuppaware container with a lid, in a size that lets the snake feel snug in it, and fill it with damp sphagnum moss. You can cut an entrance hole in it with a box cutter but a $4 to $6 cheap soldering iron from Wal-mart or a tool supply store to melt the hole in it is so worth the money! Will take you a fraction of the time, swearing and frustration and will give you way smoother edges.
 
Although the chances are slim, she might be gravid even at her age and time of year.

She is only 75 grams, so like you said it is unlikely. I just think she's cage aggressive, I lift her out with a hook and she's sweet as can be. I'm keeping an eye on her, though, since it was a pretty sudden and dramatic change in behavior. I knew they could lay a clutch of slugs without breeding, but hadn't heard of it happening as early as two years! I have a ton of sphagnum moss so it will be easy for me to make damp hides for my girls.
 
I just think she's cage aggressive, I lift her out with a hook and she's sweet as can be.

Sounds much more like a strong feeding response. If she constricts and holds on, it isn't cage aggression, it's just super "feed me!" mode. I have a few like that.
 
A few of my Phantom clutch that I still have have just gone into a phase like that, I was wondering if they might not be going through a growth spurt. They've gotten way more bitey and they've always been good eaters but have now turned into ravenous beasts that hysterically attack their food.
 
Sounds much more like a strong feeding response. If she constricts and holds on, it isn't cage aggression, it's just super "feed me!" mode. I have a few like that.

Yeah, I misspoke. I indicated earlier that I thought it was just a crazy food response, since she constricts and tries to eat my fingers, but only if I pick her up directly in her cage.
 
Lol, that's always annoying, though kind of cute. I had Cal kings that would explode out mouth agape, and bite and constrict my T-shirt... every time. I have a batch of baby hogs right now that would rival them if they had the size. With corns, it's usually a phase, some other colubrids seem to stay with it. I had a Kunisar Island rat that was truly cage aggressive. She would strike glass over and over, defensively bite me, just go nuts until she was panting if I tried to mess with her in the cage, yet once out, she would calm down and explore. Such varying behaviors from simple creatures.
 
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