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Time travel: Not just for sci-fi

Snake Dave

Snake Dave

Schrödinger's cat
Hey everyone, I just thought I'd bring this piece of fascinating information to your attention. I know it'll spark lots of scientific and ethical points of debate, and we love debates here :grin01:

Switching on a giant atom-smashing machine might open the door to unexpected visitors - from the future, it has been claimed.

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC), due to come on stream this year, could turn out to be the world's first time machine, according to two Russian scientists.

Their calculations show it is possible the machine will tear a hole in the fabric of space and time, creating a gateway to tomorrow. And, with sufficiently advanced technology, people from the future might even be able to walk through it.

The vast LHC has been constructed at CERN, the European particle physics centre near Geneva.

Designed to investigate the origins of the universe, it will generate particles with so much energy that scientists are not entirely sure what will happen when they switch the machine on.

One possibility is that microscopic black holes will be created within the LHC.

But Russian mathematicians Irina Aref'eva and Igor Volovich point to another scenario. They believe a "wormhole" (a wormhole is a hypothetical topological feature of spacetime that is essentially a 'shortcut' through space and time) could open up, linking our time with another in the future.

Such a time tunnel would need to be propped open for anyone to step through it. But this could happen if "dark energy" - the mysterious anti-gravity force that causes galaxies to accelerate away from each other - possesses a special "phantom" property.

The year 2008 might then become "Year Zero" for future time travellers, since it would only be possible to travel back as far as the first doorway in time.

Manipulating such a wormhole to create a viable time machine would take incredibly advanced technology, New Scientist magazine reported - yet this could not be ruled out in the distant future.

All the best

David
 
Oooh, it's Star Trek in real life!

I just want transporters to be invented so that I can go visit family and friends on a whim. :D
 
"There ain't no difference between a flying saucer or a time machine.

People get so hung up on specifics, they miss out on seeing the whole thing. Take South America for example. Every year in South America thousands of people turn up missing. Nobody knows where they go. They just disappear. But if you think for a minute, realize something: there had to be a time when there was no people right? Well, where did all these people come from? I'll tell you where: the future. Where did all these people disappear to: the past. How did they get there? Flying saucers, which are really, yeah, you got it: time machines."

-from the movie "Repo Man"
 
Dave ... this is so unreal I worked in the ORB works Newport when they developed the magnets to control the electrons as they started on there way to light speed at the CERNS project..... And I was telling the guys about the time machine that was being developed there... I cannot believe you made this thread the next day.... magic...
We met up with the guy who has put all this together. his father died of heart disease and he wants to go back to tell him to calm down....he knows that he can't do it....Only travel back to the time he switches on his time clock... Next time I see you (whether it's in the future or the past...LOL) I'll tell you every thing I know on the subject.... This is SO strange...But it's not under any official secrets act....LOL
MIKE
 
shed'n my skin said:
"There ain't no difference between a flying saucer or a time machine.

People get so hung up on specifics, they miss out on seeing the whole thing. Take South America for example. Every year in South America thousands of people turn up missing. Nobody knows where they go. They just disappear. But if you think for a minute, realize something: there had to be a time when there was no people right? Well, where did all these people come from? I'll tell you where: the future. Where did all these people disappear to: the past. How did they get there? Flying saucers, which are really, yeah, you got it: time machines."

-from the movie "Repo Man"
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YOU just said all that out loud,,,,,,,LOL
MIKE
 
Ha ha, well Mike, same wavelength there (since we're on the topic of physics we could start determining which wavelength... wait no, this stuff is mind-boggling already) :grin01:

The only thing I'm sceptical about is containing and sustaining the micro black hole. Besides, for a human to actually be able to pass through it, wouldn't it have to be of stellar mass, which is like three times the size of the sun...

Many particle collisions that naturally occur as the cosmic rays hit the edge of our atmosphere are often far more energetic than any collisions created by man. If micro black holes can be created by current or next-generation particle accelerators, they have probably been created by cosmic rays every day throughout most of Earth's history, i.e. for billions of years, evidently without earth-destroying effects. However, such natural micro black holes would be relativistic relative to earth, and should zip safely through our planet in 1/4 second or less at 99.99+% c. Collider produced micro black holes would be relatively "at rest" where they could become gravitationally bound, affording repeated opportunity to interact and grow larger, travelling at a tiny fraction of c (speed of light), if Hawking Radiation is not real. This distinction between nature-made and man-made micro black holes has not yet been addressed in any of the safety studies on potential collider production of micro black holes.

If two protons at the Large Hadron Collider could merge to create a micro black hole, this black hole would be unstable, and would evaporate due to Hawking radiation before it had a chance to propagate. For a 14 TeV black hole (the center-of-mass energy at the Large Hadron Collider), the Hawking radiation formula indicates that it would evaporate in 10^-100 seconds.

Hence the difficulty the Russian mathematicians face. If it continued to exponentially expand...
 
Well i guess its time i start reading the sports pages. See you all in 10 years time after i've come back and placed all my bets and am driving around in a brand new maserati. ;)
 
Dave you know me and I'm a one finger typer... This is way beyond me.... I had it explained to me by the man.... It's to do with the way we persevere things... Like Einstine watching the woman in the boat, and the bow wave which made him realise, E=mc2.
this time clock works from two perspectives 1 if you travel with it

2 if you are remote from it
Dave ... you are a scientist, I defiantly am not. Lets catch up and I will tell you what I know about it.. It will be easier than one finger typing....LOL
But you are right about a time machine.... I am so glad someone else has said about this....... I was there with them 5 yrs ago so God knows how far it is now....
Tomorrows Saturday, are you going into W/S or J/F We'll catch up......MIKE
 
snakewispera snr said:
Dave you know me and I'm a one finger typer... This is way beyond me.... I had it explained to me by the man.... It's to do with the way we persevere things... Like Einstine watching the woman in the boat, and the bow wave which made him realise, E=mc2.
this time clock works from two perspectives 1 if you travel with it

2 if you are remote from it
Dave ... you are a scientist, I defiantly am not. Lets catch up and I will tell you what I know about it.. It will be easier than one finger typing....LOL
But you are right about a time machine.... I am so glad someone else has said about this....... I was there with them 5 yrs ago so God knows how far it is now....
Tomorrows Saturday, are you going into W/S or J/F We'll catch up......MIKE
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Is the man your secondary school physics teacher or your boss lol? That's gotta be the most instantly recongnisable equation that loads of people know, but few 'truly' understand :grin01:

I might pop in to JF to grab some locusts and say hello. Maybe I could take you up on that 3-month old offer :grin01:
 
I had a dream yesterday that I found a dark hole in the ground in the woods, and I saw someone so I fell in it, it was a time machine... but I got stuck in 2010, and when I finally found my home it was burnt down and then I went to the cemetery my grave was there and so was my mom's... it was freaky.
Anyway, I hope they can make a time machine so that we can see what will happen in 2012... and if it can go back kill all the Spanish that destroyed the Mayans, and preserve their papers are whatever they're called... prophecies... predictions... astrology everything!
 
No the Guy is the man who developed the theory of time travel....I'll ask again who he is if you want... Some latino guy with a goatey beard and no father from what I remember...
#MIKE
 
I don't like that idea...we are already screwing up the environment and probably killing off most of the human race in the process (in my opinion what will happen in a few years) I don't want it to go any faster via black holes.
 
I can't say that I'm jumping for joy over the whole idea, but I find the science and maths behind it fascinating.
 
What'd be great is if they could use it to get your take-away delivery to you as soon as you order it. You know like. Send it back in time or something.



That'd be awesome.

AJ likes putting science to practical use.
 
As i understand it from what others have said in this thread, you set up one of these gates, so time travel can only go into the past up to the date the gate was made.

All you'd need is for time travel to be a scientific possibility, then when you turned on the gate, if someone didn't come straight back out of it, you'd now time travel definately isn't possible.

I mean someone would have come from the future to tell you how to do it, or to see the earliest point in time you can travel to.

PS :laugh01: Can you tell i'm bored outa my mind at work???
 
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