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Davids Video Thread

LBoz said:
David, we're having a bit of fun with you, but I think the bottom line is that this forum is very passionate about herps...much more so than the ego of a teenager. The thing is, you try to come across as "the master" and it's insulting to those that actually ARE masters in this field.
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And I dare say that the "masters" would neither be so presumptuous nor egotistical to claim so. There is ALWAYS more knowledge to be gained, in whatever field of endeavor.


Dale
 
tyflier said:
Heck, I'm still waiting for the documentation that claims that copperhead bites are "harmless" and you don't need to worry about them! And that was from the first week you were a member of this forum!!
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yeah, I am still looking for this one as well.
But I hear this alot from newbs and people who do not really know the toxins of Copperheads. I had it clarified actually the other night with a friend of mine who professionally works with hots. This is a wives tail, you can still loose a finger from a copperhead bite.
 
jazzgeek said:
And I dare say that the "masters" would neither be so presumptuous nor egotistical to claim so. There is ALWAYS more knowledge to be gained, in whatever field of endeavor.


Dale
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Interesting thing I have noticed, too, is that the people I would consider true masters in this field actually use their own names as their screen name, and not made up titles. I suppose that being as how they are true masters, their knowlege and contributions to the field are so well known that their name is enough for people to recognize them.

Examples: Rich Zuchowski (Rich_Z), Kathy Love (KathyLove), etc...

In any event, I've been keeping fish and aquariums for more years than young David has been alive, and I certainly wouldn't dare consider or call myself a master-- I learn something new about aquarium and fish keeping nearly every week, and often from people with far less "experience" than I. That's the cool thing about learning and forums-- everyone shares what they can to help other people out.

The key is to do it in a humble and helpful way.
 
I'm staying out of any discussions with David, but I *have* to chime in on a couple of things mentioned in this thread.

tyflier said:
Heck, I'm still waiting for the documentation that claims that copperhead bites are "harmless" and you don't need to worry about them! And that was from the first week you were a member of this forum!!
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One of my best friends is a nurse at our local ER. Someone we know in common was bitten by a copperhead last spring while gardening. He took photos of the bite when she was admitted and in following days documenting the progress. The snake was killed and positively identified. If David or anyone else who suggests a copperhead bite is trivial could see these (I've emailed him requesting JPEGs), they wouldn't say that any more. The amount of tissue damage from a copperhead bite receiving prompt medical attention can be astounding. Do a Goggle image search.
tyflier said:
Oh, and since you didn't respond via YouTube...black ratsnakes are NOT arboreal...
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I have seen them at least 20 feet high in trees presumably trying to rob bird's nests, perhaps that is where this comes from. But nothing about their body structure is especially adapted for climbing, and it's rare to spot them in trees or shrubbery. Granted, I am looking under overturned logs, plywood and tin more than in the sky for them, but having kept them captive for many years, the behavior just isn't arboreal.

I know one more person chiming in isn't likely to mean much, but I thought it'd be worth a shot since the two species in question are two of the most common in this herper's backyard.
 
snakemaster24 said:
I ment semi aboreal and I am taking most of my videos down.
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They aren't semi-arboreal, either.

Snakewispera-
I don't know a whole lot about elapid venom or about herald snakes. All I know is that young David tried to convince me that Herald snakes were going to be reclassified as elapids because of their venom quality and toxicity. This was in reposnse to my asking why he insisted on posting harmless colubrids in the venomous snake forum. He promised a link to new research...I never saw it...

elrojo-
The copperhead issue with David was months ago. When David first got here, he chimed in on a topic, saying that people didn't need top worry about copperheads or cottonmouths, that there venom wasn't that bad, and that no one had ever died from a bite from either one. Many of us tried to remind of the toxicity of a copperhead, and many of us tried to remind him of the devastating tissue damage than can result from a TREATED bite. He simply never believed that a copperhead was a dangerous snake, and said he had some research link to prove that copperheads were not as harmful as we were saying.

I never saw that link, either...
 
No Protoelapidea is a new family Dr. Fry wants to enstate due to a bunch of south african snakes that are rear fanged and I herad that one of the snaks in his studys was the heralds snake which I have experience with.
 
snakemaster24 said:
No Protoelapidea is a new family Dr. Fry wants to enstate due to a bunch of south african snakes that are rear fanged and I herad that one of the snaks in his studys was the heralds snake which I have experience with.
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So...where's the link? You told me that you, personally, read the research, so...where's the link? Like I said to you a month ago...I don't want to hear your interpretation of what you think you heard or read, I want to read the research for myself, and understand for myself...
 
arachnoboards.com said:
Based upon the DNA and venom findings, he has recommended that these snakes, along with several other African(yeah, I know Madagascar is an island off the coast of Africa, but its species originated on Africa)rear-fanged Colubrids be moved from that classification and re-classified in their own group, which he calls "Protoelapidae", as research indicates that these snakes are a sort of "missing link" between the Colubrids and true Elapids in Africa, and are closer to the latter.
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It says several other African rear-fanged colubrids. It mentions nothing specifically about Heralds snakes.

Is there actually an article where this came from, and not just word of mouth?
 
Ok...

David, that is not a link to research by Dr. Frye...that is a link to a forum topic about a Madagascar hognose. It doesn't give me anything except the exact same thing you said about the Heraqld's snake, only that person said it about a hognose.

So...as I said earlier...your "information" is really nothing more than an anecdotal referance to a forum topic you read somewhere, now...isn't it?
 
yes there is an article but I cannot find it now. I saw it along time ago and It was not written by fry but by someone else. I will try t find it. I kinda doubt now it would be placed there its venom really is not that significant
 
snakemaster24 said:
yes there is an article but I cannot find it now. I saw it along time ago and It was not written by fry but by someone else. I will try t find it. I kinda doubt now it would be placed there its venom really is not that significant
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So...what changed your mind? Just a month or so ago, you were telling me that the venom was potent enough to warrant it's placement as a venomous reptile related to elapids. Now it's venom is "not that significant"...

So which is it?
 
Well it is up to the scientific community its venom is reptuted to cause severe head ache and swelling and otehr not so plesent symptoms. Alot can change in a month and I observe her behavior every day.
 
snakemaster24 said:
No Protoelapidea is a new family Dr. Fry wants to enstate due to a bunch of south african snakes that are rear fanged and I herad that one of the snaks in his studys was the heralds snake which I have experience with.
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David,
I just find how humorous how you try to make your snake more dangerous than what it really is.
From much of the research I could find the Crotapheltis family isnt no more dangerous to humans than a hognose.

Also where is this info for Dr. Brian Fry??? Can you please post us a link for this information??
Here is his personal website. http://www.venomdoc.com/

oops I am a slow typist.
 
I have been to venom doc and found nothing. I am not gonna debate this any further. I am trying to just sit back and listen bu every one keeps asking me why and oh how funny. So I'm not responding PM me if you would like I will continue that there
 
snakemaster24 said:
Well it is up to the scientific community its venom is reptuted to cause severe head ache and swelling and otehr not so plesent symptoms. Alot can change in a month and I observe her behavior every day.
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"Not so pleasant" and "severe" systemic reactions are completely different. Placing a snake alongside elapids such as the mamba(a comparison YOU made) would require just a touch more than "not so pleasant", if you ask me...

How does observing her behavior over the last month change your insistance of her venom toxicity?

I read a topic not long ago that you started on a venomous forum where you were trying to convince everyone that Herald's snakes needed to be looked at more closely because of your bite experience. You claimed systemic reactions and nausea and headaches for several days after a bite.

Now you say it is insignificant.

Which is it?
 
You observe behavior every day, but you have nothing to enable you to study the effects of the venom or measure its toxicity.

In my opinion (for what that's worth nowadays), you were trying to impress people with a venomous reptile that was going to be put in a category alongside Elapids. When people did their research, you changed your statements to make it look like you were up to date on the goings on in the minds of the doctors in an effort to save face.
Reading the research is one thing. Understanding and comprehending it is a whole other story. It's okay if you don't understand everything now. You've still got a long time to learn.
 
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