CAPITALIST INSANITY

Do they teach that kind of passive aggression in the army, or were you born with that gift?

You seem like you can be a bit of a jerk. How was she stating that she was NOT getting enough attention.? This thread is turning into stupidity, a few apes in here that are high on their ego trips.

I think its more like someone likes stirring up and irritating people so that THEY in return give him the attention he is lacking. He'll never even try to see things from another point of view because he feeds of the drama that he creates.. So therefore, its not worth arguing with him, because thats what he wants.. Ignore him, don't feed his sad little ego..

At least FT came up with a rebuttal

LBoz said:

Do they teach that kind of passive aggression in the army, or were you born with that gift?

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I didn't think you could (or would) answer the question.

"You don't agree with me so you're wrong! And Bad! It’s my "right" to say anything I want about you cuz your wrong! And Bad!" (Did I summarize your rebuttal correctly?)

You can't sit there throwing mud at someone then get peeved when they fling some back.

You know what, little one? I don't know who you are, nor do I care to, all I know is that you've been "back" for just a few days and have already made quite a name for yourself in the forum again. Your first "Look at me, look at meeeeeee" call for attention poll proves that. Things HAVE changed around here since you were gone, and that created your first tantrum and need to stomp your foot and proclaim your dislike for it. Then in THIS thread you continue to feel the need to be antagonistic and passive aggressive toward everyone who dares not bow to your superiority. If you were a newbie to the forum, you'd most likely already be stomped like a troll.

So if you'd like to continue this back and forth arguement, please do so via PM to me rather than continue to hijack Kyle's thread. :cheers:

Kyle, my apologies for the dramatic turn of events on your thread.

Moving on....I highly respect this person's comment on the matter...Just IMHO...

“The American Civil Liberties Union and the Public Patent Foundation at Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law (PUBPAT) filed a lawsuit … charging that patents on two human genes associated with breast and ovarian cancer stifle research that could lead to cures and limit women’s options regarding their medical care. Mutations along the genes, known as BRCA1 and BRCA2, are responsible for most cases of hereditary breast and ovarian cancers. The lawsuit argues that the patents on these genes are unconstitutional and invalid. …”

ACLU Challenges Patents On Breast Cancer Genes (5/12/2009)

Gene Patents Stifle Patient Access To Medical Care And Critical Research

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CONTACT: (212) 549-2666; [email protected]


NEW YORK – The American Civil Liberties Union and the Public Patent Foundation at Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law (PUBPAT) filed a lawsuit today charging that patents on two human genes associated with breast and ovarian cancer stifle research that could lead to cures and limit women’s options regarding their medical care. Mutations along the genes, known as BRCA1 and BRCA2, are responsible for most cases of hereditary breast and ovarian cancers. The lawsuit argues that the patents on these genes are unconstitutional and invalid.

“Knowledge about our own bodies and the ability to make decisions about our health care are some of our most personal and fundamental rights,” said Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU. “The government should not be granting private entities control over something as personal and basic to who we are as our genes. Moreover, granting patents that limit scientific research, learning and the free flow of information violates the First Amendment.”

I think there are currently 20 human genes that are currently patented. I find it mind boggling, actually.

I'm ok keeping this public. No need to PM you.

You jumped into the spotlight with the ridiculous post about me "ridiculing you rights". Surely you aren't naive enough to think it would just slip on by. This "how dare you talk to me like that" dilemma is your own creation. All of a sudden you're getting a little taste of your own medicine and you really don't like it.


You’re absolutely right. This forum has changed. It used to be full of knowledgeable, honest and funny people. It was self policing and folks generally showed each other a little civility. Try it sometime.


I'm done. :wavey:

The problem I have with this is I think it stifles advancement on these genes. Lets say they do get the patent and only they can research the gene for 20 years, do you think that having one company working on a gene is better than several? Of course not.

If they invented some new technique or machine to identify the gene or some therapy, then by all means patent that. But the actual gene itself, preposterous!

*side note* I don't so much think its capitalist insanity, as I do just straight insanity.

CAV said:

You jumped into the spotlight with the ridiculous post about me "ridiculing you rights". Surely you aren't naive enough to think it would just slip on by. This "how dare you talk to me like that" dilemma is your own creation. All of a sudden you're getting a little taste of your own medicine and you really don't like it.


You’re absolutely right. This forum has changed. It used to be full of knowledgeable, honest and funny people. It was self policing and folks generally showed each other a little civility. Try it sometime.

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This was obviously after you left, correct?



"Last wuuuuuuuuurd" ~Jack Nicholson.

The problem I have with this is I think it stifles advancement on these genes. Lets say they do get the patent and only they can research the gene for 20 years, do you think that having one company working on a gene is better than several? Of course not.

If they invented some new technique or machine to identify the gene or some therapy, then by all means patent that. But the actual gene itself, preposterous!

*side note* I don't so much think its capitalist insanity, as I do just straight insanity.

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Well said, Matthew.

Patents have been prohibited by Congress in only a few cases where the issuance of a patent was contrary to the public interest. An example of this was the prohibition of patents on nuclear weapons. The American Medical Association has made a similar request against the patenting of medical and surgical procedures.

I can't imagine this patent NOT being contrary to the public interest.

This issue keeps coming up.

You realize that you no longer own anything that comes out of your body? That an advancement can be made using tissue from YOU and be patented, and you would receive nothing for it since it's out of your body and you, in all likelihood, consented to its removal?

Scary, huh?

Last I checked, anything not manually reproducable was not available to be patented. I suppose since they can describe the sequence, they can recreate it in the lab, and hence it's patentable.

Do I think it's right? no.

Does that make it illegal according to our patent office? Horribly... no.

I think they do have several avenues to fight it, especially with the likelihood of causing serious harm (inability to obtain vital information) that NOT testing for those genes can cause.

Go look up patents from human research. It's a terrifying field.

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Go look up patents from human research. It's a terrifying field.

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Indeed, it is! I just found this thread, but the topic is one that I've done some poking into in the past. The concept of any person/corporation/whatever owning a patent on a gene or gene sequence in any living thing is mind-boggling. Yes, I know that such patents have been granted. Yes, I comprehend the difference between patenting the PRODUCTION of glofish (of which I have several in my classroom tank BECAUSE of what they are) and patenting the EXISTENCE of a gene or gene sequence.

The potential exists for a patent-owner to make demands on the possessor of patented genetic material.

If you're interested in an intelligent novel on this topic, check out Michael Crichton's "Next." Crichton was a medical doctor as well as an author, and though fictional, this makes for a thought-provoking read.

Wow CAV, I *do* realize that you're trying to be Doug Henning with your misdirection.



Away for three years, and you're back to your old form in less than a week - while I admire the consistency, it's the old lawyer's maxim, to wit:

"When the law is against you, argue the facts; when the facts are against you, argue the law."

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Much as you'd like it to be, this isn't about my age, the merits of capitalism to provide funding for R&D (as an aside, did you realize that much of the cutting-edge biomedical research is done by nonprofit foundations, using private donations? Here's an example that, because of their stem cell research, really ticks off the Fundies...), the ACLU (OK, maybe them, as they're the plaintiff), a corporation's ability to pay their taxes, Lori's boobehz or a number of various and sundry points raised.

It's about whether or not an action taken is legal. It's not for either you or me to decide. It's up to the court.

But yeah, since we're in a forum, we discuss the merits of said case. Until....well, until your post referencing my "sixth decade". It was neither meritorious, germaine, nor relevant to the discussion.

No biggie. I realized it was just your goofy way of wishing me Happy Birthday. (Thanks!)

But you made a hairpin turn, and introduced irony when you tossed out this lil' gem:

You tend to come off as a bully instead of acting like an adult and having an informed debate. It has to be personal in order to be effective . In short, you have a short string and I knew that I would get this kind of a reaction when I pulled it. Thanks for proving my point with your previous post. Yep, I baited you and you took it......hook......line......and sinker.

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Pot, meet kettle. Gary, meet irony. And because I point this out to you, *I'm* "sensitive"?

Silly me, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you've learned a few things over three years. When your points are refuted, making an irrelevant diversion.....

So lesson learned. That's how you come off to people that don't know you from Adam. Don't get into a battle of wits with someone you don’t know; they might just make you look downright silly.

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....just won't cut it anymore.

"Oh Look! Something Shiny!", followed by, "A-HA! You fell for my evil plan!!!!11!!eleventy!!! MUAHAHAHA!!!" while you :sidestep: the issue at hand just might work if you're trying to hook up with a bimbo for a lost weekend in Vegas, but it's soooo 2005, and we've learned a thing or two about that technique from years of watching this guy:



Oh, and by the way, may I introduce you to Lori?

Have I mentioned that she's a redhead?


Dale

CAV said:

You’re absolutely right. This forum has changed. It used to be full of knowledgeable, honest and funny people. It was self policing....

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And now, you're the one being policed. Deal.


Dale

I love a good debate. I am really hurt that nobody PMed me and told me about this one I have missed it entirely until this morning. I just read the whole thing and as I read I was thinking about what I was going to say and then Dale said it in his last post. Da##!

I don’t want to go on record as agreeing with Dale so I’d just like to say…..Yea, what he said!

I have not read the whole thread, but CAV is and was an icon here, as well as an American hero. The poll he started was in his forum, so who gives a crap? That is the point of personal forums, they are for what ever the heck the forum owner wants. If he had put it in the general chit chat area, it would have been a different story, but it wasn't.
CAV, for the most part, this forum is what you remembered. It seems that some member would like it to be the next myspace or something, something for only socializing. Anyha, CAV welcome back, and you can never be thanked enough for your service to this country and the world.

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I love a good debate. I am really hurt that nobody PMed me and told me about this one I have missed it entirely until this morning. I just read the whole thing and as I read I was thinking about what I was going to say and then Dale said it in his last post. Da##!

I don’t want to go on record as agreeing with Dale so I’d just like to say…..Yea, what he said!

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I have to agree with Wade. And seriously Dale, you rock.

I'm not debating anything here, so I'm not taking sides because I really like all of you and the last thing I want is drama. Even since I joined last year, this forum has changed. It used to be that everyone would flock to the Photo Gallery, pop into the chat for some laughs and to share ideas, questions and answers, and the occasional post in the "Did you know..." thread, and a few others. Now, it's all very tense. We should be here for snakes, not political debates and hate! [hmm, I think I might put that in my signature.] All I'm saying is even though I've added to a few chat room arguments, and have been pi$$ed off by a comment or two, I miss the "good ol' days." Let's save these threads for another forum before someone gets banned!

Mike you are right. The people putting their lives on the line for this nation can never be thanked enough. CAV, I tip my hat to you, thank you very much. CAV, I didn’t know you were an icon. I am impressed.

Mike, where does it say that if a man serves his country he will be right in everything he says and no one should disagree with him? Where is the list of icons and the rules that say when icons are being a jerk we should overlook it?

Lot's of us have served our country. It's not meant to be an excuse for bad behavior.

Lori, he did not learn that in the Army..

Serving this country is honorable.
Feeling empowered by that service to run rough-shod over it's citizens is not!!!
and actually diminishes that honor.

He has been pretty quiet since Lori told him what for. I can understand that. I have been on the receiving end of Lori’s tongue myself and believe me, it is a memorable experience.