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Levi the odd colored Lavender! progression thread!

Ravenessa

Ravenessa

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So this is my little guy, he is finally growing and increasing in size and weight.. I put him on eating every four days and his brother...

Levi is a Male lavender het motley/amel/ultra (he has opal brothers as well).

He is a funny baby with a very sweet temperament, little skittish but he's just baby born size almost so I can see why...

When he came, you can see he's a bit thin...
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And today about 2 weeks later..
He's getting a little girth on him.. and no he's not in blue, he looks like he is in constant blue he's faded like this...
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Like the name! He is definitely an interesting looking little guy, in a few of the pictures he almost looks maybe dilute, not that I've seen all that many dilute babies to compare.
 
I don't know either but I sorta like it... Since Im not a breeder it's not super important what they are as long as I like the appearance.. I just weighed him again, he has doubled in weight in 10 days from 0.2 to 0.4, he has grown a little on length not sure how much but I think he look better now.. I felt he was a little on the thin side... he's not too fat now right? I have all the babies out 2x 10 minutes a day to let them worm around on me for exercise and I have a cup and a couple of toilet paper rolls for hide in their little baby bins.. Does a belly shot help to figure out if they are dilute?

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I am reading up on dilute and he might be... It matches, the pink is super pink on him, but he looks like he's in the blue without being it.. Is there any way I can get Walter to look at this, he oughta know right?
 
Anything is possible these days in Corns. I have a little experience with the Dilute gene, but mostly when combined with Anery, which are the Blues.
There is no real visual "marker" so to speak with the Dilute gene other than a Hypoish effect and to be honest, I have never done any projects combining Dilute with any color gene other than Anery.

I have seen what was labled as a "Dilute Caramel", which didn't look much more different from an Amber to me.
In my opinion, the only combine with Dilute that is the most noticable visually is Anery, because the Dilute gene causes black pigments to appear bluish, but does not have anything to do with the pinks.

The only way to know for sure of course in breeding trails. You may also want to hold onto it's next shed, to inspect it for any trace of pigment.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
Thank you for your answer, I really appreciate it... The whole corn is looking bluish on the other hand it's a lavender... So... does anyone know how you fast forward three years? I guess Im gonna have to loan him out to someone who'd like to test him then..

God knows he has a fun genetic base as he is 100% het Motley amel ultramel, if he was dilute on top of that.. Im guessing someone could have fun with that.


I am going to ask the breeder for parental pictures.. see if that makes me any wiser. this was the only "odd" looking one in the clutch however.. and lavenders are odd looking to begin with from what I've been looking at pictures for...
 
So the little thingie went into blue for a day, shed and just looks the same... I tried to figure out the pigment on the shed, but I don't know what to look for so I can't see it.. and I tried to unroll it and I broke it off a little bit.. I am posting fresh shed pictures that will pretty much look the same as before... This guy is slightly confusing me.. lol
 
he went blue the day after this picture, which I couldn't tell on the body, I got lucky I caught it on the eye cap..
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This is today fresh after shed...
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I couldn't see any pigment but the whole snake is pale, but I couldn't even find his saddles... it looked like an even fishnet stocking on one side and belly scale on the others, but he has no anery and little black so Im not sure that is a go to here?
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But he just looks the same... lol he's still cute as a button but God dang it Im curious!
 
I can see how dilute could affect the pinks/reds/etc indirectly. Dilute hypo motleys have a very unique appearance, as do some dilute amel motleys. I guess the dilute is more obvious in the hypo motleys than in plain hypos because of the lightening effect that motley already has, so maybe there is some synergistic effect with motley and dilute. Even though lavenders, especially males, retain some pink/peachy ground color, they used to be called "the other anery," so I could imagine dilute allowing more of the pinks to come through. Lol, he looks like he is in shed even after shedding. Whatever you have there, he is a little gem.
 
He's a mystery alright.. On the other hand I have heard lavenders can look odd until adult hood, a part of me was thinking since he had barely gained weight since birth that he was stuck in a shed that didn't come off cause he had no growth.. So a part of me was like once he sheds he may look normal but no.. No other in the group looks like this at all...
He had brothers that were opals (I have one as well), he is 50% het amel (mom) 50% (since only father is) ultra amel and motley... Mother was sold as a plain lavender but showed up having the het.. she said eh was a 100% though but now when I look at the genetics I don't think that can be the case.. My lavender has to be 50% het amel ultramel motley since mom is amel dad is ultramel and motley... or does that become 100% het amel 50% ultramel and motley?

Here's dad and mom, mom first... dad second.
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Ok so now to confuse myself further.. I put the parents into the the corn calc... that is telling me that there is no chance he's a lavender but he is an ultramel lavender het motley cause it could only be that and opals coming from the combo.... I am having a headache now....

Can someone please sort these genetics out to me.... pwease!
 
Wow, the sire is amazing! If he is an ultramel lavender motley then maybe your baby is an ultramel lavender het motley. Ultra and amel are two alleles of the same gene/locus. You have two alleles at each locus, one from mom and one from dad. So at the amel locus you can have two copies of wild type, two of amel, two of ultra, or one of amel and one of ultra. The sire can pass either the ultra allele or the amel allele to each offspring, but not both simultaneously. Since the father was an ultramel lavender motley and the female is lavender het amel, this pairing would give you

1/4 opal het motley
1/4 ultramel lavender het motley
1/4 lavender het ultra het motley
1/4 lavender het amel het motley

Maybe your baby is a nice colorful ultramel lavender het motley? If you look at ultramel lavenders on Ians Vivarium, there is a 2010 male baby in the lower left that looks kinda like yours, but less colorful.
 
LOL yes you are right, I messed up the putting in mom and dad...
NOW when I didn't do it blonde this came up:

Male: Ultramel Lavender, Motley ( Ultramel, Lavender, Motley )

Female: Lavender het Amel

Phenotype:

1 / 2 Lavender het Motley, Amel or Ultra
1 / 4 Opal ( Amel, Lavender ) het Motley
1 / 4 Ultramel Lavender ( Ultramel, Lavender ) het Motley
Genotype:

1 / 4 Lavender het Amel, Motley
1 / 4 Lavender het Ultra, Motley
1 / 4 Ultramel, Lavender het Motley
1 / 4 Amel, Lavender het Motley

yeah she sold him as a lavender.. and compared to his brothers I have a hard time calling him ultramel... and I have a hard time seeing him as a lavender too... he's just Odd....
 
I think he is ultramel lavender het motley, based on this pic of an ultramel lavender sibling. He is a little lighter and has pinker saddles than the lavenders in that clutch. If he grows to look like dad he's gonna be pretty! I'd pair him with an opal motley or opal stripe female!
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lol to me he looks like he's half motley and half normal (due to the small saddles etc), and then he looks half lavender and half opal... it looks like his genetics could not make up it's mind and met half way on all of the stuff that is inside of him...
 
Yeah the picture you linked to is a few months older than the one I posted, so that sibling has colored up significantly to look like yours does. There is a lot of variability within lavenders and they do change a lot as they grow.

This was the image I was thinking of, but yours is way more colorful, which he must have gotten from his colorful father.
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