Please, learn how to spell and use proper grammar!

I know this has probably been brought up before. But, for crying out loud there is a spell checker!

This is just a personal peeve of mine. I struggled to bring my poor writing skills up to college standards after suffering the consequences of my "liberal" public education. You can not compete as a professional or in the academic world if you can not write and speak well. People do judge not only your character, but your intelligence based on how you speak and write. And, quite frankly, I think to a certain extent this is valid.

Aaaaarrrrrgggghhh!

Thank you.


Not :-offtopic . This is my very first post where I did not have to change any of the spelling. It may not mean much to anyone else. But, YAY! :dancer: :laugh01: :cheers:

:cheers: Yes, I agree. Spellcheck is your friend!
I feel really stupid when I forget to use it, if for no other reason than my crappy dyslexic typing skills And I know you are only one of the many who have this little pet peeve.

BTW-It is great when you don't have to change a thing :grin01:

That's one of my pet peeves as well, so, I know where you are coming from. When I first started on the computer, my typing was crap but I ended up fixing it myself later and then it does start driving me insane as well. I know where you're coming from, really. :grin01:

Probably the same syndrome as with "reformed" smokers and "reformed" drinkers etc. Preachy and cantankerous.



YAY! 2 for 2 :dancer:

Oh yes! It really annoys me to see kids (18 and younger) type with such laziness. They're keys, all you have to do is push buttons. How hard can that possibly be?

When you try to enlighten them to the lighter-side of grammar, spelling, and punctuation...all you get in return is garbage. If you learn to write seriously and conduct yourself in a mature manner, it's amazing how people treat you differently.

I hate to say it, but if they can't spell or use punctuation, then I don't usually bother to reply. Sad as that may be, but I'm not going to spend an hour trying to use my Magic Decoder ring figuring out what the hell they just said and then code it back into their "sp33k".

It takes me longer to think and write 'g2g' or 'b4' than to just spell it out...


Although I do confess, I have NEVER used the forum's spell-check. I find it more gratifying to re-read my posts and correct my mistakes. Kids are so used to having spell check fix everything, they're forgetting how to spell. I saw this first hand in a college English course, how sad is it when the person sitting next to you asks "how do you spell steeple?"

Taceas said:

Oh yes! It really annoys me to see kids (18 and younger) type with such laziness. They're keys, all you have to do is push buttons. How hard can that possibly be?

When you try to enlighten them to the lighter-side of grammar, spelling, and punctuation...all you get in return is garbage. If you learn to write seriously and conduct yourself in a mature manner, it's amazing how people treat you differently.

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Well, I'm younger than 18, and hate using chat speak or whatever they call it. But yeah, I try to get them to spell properly and help them with small errors, but after awhile it gets pretty sad and I just stop posting with them. (On some of my other forums)

Taceas said:

I hate to say it, but if they can't spell or use punctuation, then I don't usually bother to reply. Sad as that may be, but I'm not going to spend an hour trying to use my Magic Decoder ring figuring out what the hell they just said and then code it back into their "sp33k".

It takes me longer to think and write 'g2g' or 'b4' than to just spell it out...

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I used to do chat speek and 1337 or whatever, it gets hard to keep up with and figure out what they were saying. It gets confusing after awhile and you just can't help but wonder "What the heck are they trying to say?" :eek1:


Although I do confess, I have NEVER used the forum's spell-check. I find it more gratifying to re-read my posts and correct my mistakes. Kids are so used to having spell check fix everything, they're forgetting how to spell. I saw this first hand in a college English course, how sad is it when the person sitting next to you asks "how do you spell steeple?" [/QUOTE]

I never use the spell-check, I check my own posts as I type, easier to flow with and I don't like spell-check and it misses some errors that you make. It's just better to check yourself really.

And first error above

i better use a spell checker then

oh just see if you can read this btw.

hye my nmae is adam adn i hvae notuhing to sya jsut an exepriment.

words jumbeld around but can ytou stil read it perfect first time?
if you can the chanced are you are dyslexic like myself and can. a normal brain will get confused reading it usualy. a dyslexic brain thinks about it more and should be able to understand it.

grate heh? see all them years you thought spelling was importent.

Wutz yer prolem?

Sjut yer muoth! Ole peebel are reely rud! It iz hard werk goain to skool, watchen teve AND uzing spelt cheque!

Kant wee jsut talk aboot sankes? :shrugs:

:flames: :cheers:

:roflmao:

I saw this last night, but alas I was too tired to reply. What I wanted to say was,"Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!" At last someone has brought up this issue. It irritates me to no end to see someone miss spell words all the time when they know there is a spell check. Don't even get me started on that 'chat speak' or whatever you wish to call it. :realhot:

I must admit I do use the spell check, but only because spelling was never something that came easily for me. But the point is I use it to make whatever I write simpler to read and flow better. How people can look at some of the sentences they write and think they make sense is beyond me.

Ok, I'm done. I will now return to my mild-mannered self. :grin01:



hana

CAV said:

Sjut yer muoth! Ole peebel are reely rud! It iz hard werk goain to skool, watchen teve AND uzing spelt cheque!

Kant wee jsut talk aboot sankes? :shrugs:

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wut?


(Because someone HAD to say it!)

I have started to wonder lately how many english teachers are on this forum? Sure, it's lazy that people don't use spellcheck, but what bugs me a lot more is when someone new comes to the forum all enthusiastic about their snake and wanting to learn, and is greeted by an attack on their spelling skills. If it's that garbled just don't respond! That's just my .02

Bubbles said:

hye my nmae is adam adn i hvae notuhing to sya jsut an exepriment.

words jumbeld around but can ytou stil read it perfect first time?
if you can the chanced are you are dyslexic like myself and can. a normal brain will get confused reading it usualy. a dyslexic brain thinks about it more and should be able to understand it.

grate heh? see all them years you thought spelling was importent.

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Cornsnakekid92 made this point once. I responded that you could talk to me through a kazoo, and I could probably understand what you were saying. But if you kept speaking to me through a kazoo, I would eventually ignore everything you said.

My English pet peeves also extend to tortured syntax. If you aren't naturally proficient in constructing written sentences, please read your posts aloud before submitting.

lol yeah i try my best on spelling. although my spelling and grammer is not grate. i am currently 18 with the spelling and grammer of a 14 year old. No joke.

i do use spell checker most of the time, there are times i can forget though. e.g. if i am in a hurry.

some other problems that occur are people who speak different languages speaking English. Sometimes the words are jumbled around.

I don't think its the occasional misspelled word that irritates people, and we can understand if there is a language difficulty. It is the fact that so many people don't even try. They don't even spell phonetically, and it can be difficult to decipher what they are saying. And as for the chat speak, I never have used chat rooms so have absolutely no clue what anyone is saying. Actually might be one of the reasons I don't 'chat'.
If you can type and spell well-wonderful. If you have trouble with it, you need to at least attempt to make your post legible by using the spell check. That is why it is there and so many people do use it. It can also help make you more aware of the problems you have so you end up making less mistakes. Just one more learning tool of the forum .

I normally don't rant on this topic, I just ignore those who don't take the time to write anything in a way that is readable and coherent. If it's not important enough to write it, it is not important enough for me to read it. But since this thread is actually about the topic...

I don't have a problem with people who are using English as a second language, and I will read and respond to their posts to the best of my ability. But people who grew up speaking English, especially those whose ONLY language is English, are another story.

There is a user account here used by a bunch of kids 8-10 (or 12 or whatever) years old and had they not told anyone, I doubt anyone would have noticed, because they actually type in English. I think any 8-year old is capable of writing in English. I will have to see if I can dig up some of my papers and book reports from when I was that age. LOL

I would not consider "great" a spelling word for a 14 year old. It seems like people are trying to significantly lower the bar for what a kid should or should not be able to write. There is such a thing as a dictionary (even a free online one at http://webster.com) and anyone who knows the alphabet (which we should have mastered 5 or 6 years old at the very latest) can use it. It only takes a few times looking up a word, and presto, this "memory" thing stores it so we don't have to keep looking it up. Nobody is a "born speller," those who can spell have put in the effort.

Oh, and if you can spell dyslexic, you aren't.

Spell check is a crutch. It may allow you to hobble, but it doesn't teach you how to walk. One of the many problems with spell check is that it doesn't understand the difference between "a place" and "possessed by them" ...but then again it seems that a lot of people don't either. :crazy02:

In the end, I think the biggest key to posting anything coherent is to simply read your own post before submitting it. If you can't read it or make sense of it, why would you expect anyone to? :shrugs:

I also find myself reluctant to respond to posts where the grammar and spelling is exceedingly bad. For whatever reason, my brain translates chatspeak, ignored capitalization, and major spelling ignorance as meaning: "i am 2 lazy 2 hav lernt anyhting in skool". I DO give more leeway to those who are not native English speakers (and it's fairly obvious when a person's spelling/grammar is due to English being a second or third language, as opposed to someone who didn't care to learn it as a first), but not to native speakers. Seriously though, everyone in the US is given the opportunity to learn how to write English well enough to sound like an educated adult. Furthermore, if you ever read books (as opposed to just skimming them enough to find the answers to a few questions), you'll pick up grammar and syntax just from reading them. It's hard to conclude anything other than that those who don't bother to type anything intelligible are lazy, either in terms of learning how to use the English language right, or in terms of "bothering to type out whole words when things like 'b4' are so much shorter". I will admit there are probably rules of grammar I ignore or don't always use (like stuff regarding commas and punctuation around quotes), but when even the basic stuff is thrown out the window, text becomes painful to read.

-Kat

Bubbles said:

hye my nmae is adam adn i hvae notuhing to sya jsut an exepriment.

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In truth, as long as the first and last letters are correct, the human brain will nearly always recognise the words. That's been proven many times and has nothing to do with dyslexia.

On that note, I know many intelligent, educated people who are dyslexic (or are slightly so) and do have difficulty writing at more than junior or high school level. Some of these people are professionals in management and they work harder to correct their mistakes. Yes, having college level writing skills impresses people and will probably get you farther in life, yet it doesn't stop someone from being smart and often getting a good job. I have a friend in vet school who can spell all the long, complicated latin words without a hitch, but sometimes every day words will baffle her.

How many of us remember having a parent or teacher tell us to look up a word in the dictionary if we didn't know how to spell it? LOL I'm great for spelling if I'm writing it, but spelling out loud kills me.

And I have mixed emotions about this new geek speak, or whatever they're calling the rewriting of the English language for text messaging. I realise that we speak and write differently than our relatives of even a hundred years ago, but do we really need a second written language? And who actually hand writes those little slang words? Its all on the computer. I'm sure its here to stay and will develop further, but jeeez....

And for the record, proof-reading is my preferred spell checker, but sometimes if I think I spelled it right the first time, I may not catch it the second time!

^^ realize and recognize

I often forget about spell check but use it when I remember. I don't really know how my brain works, or if it works at all... but I swear I will proof read my posts several times and not find the mistakes until after I hit the "Submit Reply" button. Maybe I can read easier off the grey background. :shrugs: I wonder if there are any others like me that don't have the edit option.

However, I don't think minor spelling and grammer issues are what the original poster meant. It is when almost every other word is misspelled and it is obvious that the poster put very little thought into making their post. I also ignore posts if the grammer/spelling is so bad that it is hard to understand. So it is important to say, to whoever is out there wondering why no one responded to their thread... It could be because the spelling/grammer is so bad no one understands you.