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Wide Stripe Cornsnake

nmoore601

nmoore601

Cloud 9 Corns
I have a group of wide stripe corns. I am writing to see if any other members have these. If so what are your findings from breeding to other morphs aside from anery. I have an anery female homo charcoal, this will be here first year. Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.

Also does anyone know were they originated? Who was the founding breeder. My male is supposed to be one of the original stock. Not sure, he was born in 1998.
 
Nick are they wide stripe Aztecs or just striped corns with a wider than normal stripe?
 
You might want to talk to Dave as he is working with the wide stripes. Here is a link to some of his babies: ick as well as my pair of out-crossed anerys het dilute from his wide stripes.
 

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How about this guy

Sorry for the quick just now camera phone shots.

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No they are not Aztec. The seem to be alleic to anery. I post more info that I have. I am out at dinner with my family. Very interesting to say the least. You don't see them everyday.
 
I have babies from my aztec/aztec pairing that came out with wide stripes.
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This odd sucker...looks like a bicycle chain to me
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nmoore601 said:
They seem to be allelic to anery.
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Sounds like the line Sean at VMS was working with if I recall correctly (seems like I remember his only expressing the stripe in anery offspring)? I'm thinking that's where Dave got his as well, though I could be wrong.
 
That's wher mine came from too. Aztec will throw babies that look like WS but the look is as far as it goes. WS is some thing different than stripe, zigzag, motley, Aztec, tezzaro,and tessera. I would like to talk to anyone who has breed the WS and what the findings were breeding to snows. They have anery but does. The amel counter act the WS gene from acting with anery. I have tons of questions and theories!
 
nmoore601 said:
I have a group of wide stripe corns. I am writing to see if any other members have these. If so what are your findings from breeding to other morphs aside from anery. I have an anery female homo charcoal, this will be here first year. Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.

Also does anyone know were they originated? Who was the founding breeder. My male is supposed to be one of the original stock. Not sure, he was born in 1998.
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Hey Nick,
Would you please post some photos of your w/s, pairings, and offspring from your various projects for us to see? Here's my 2010 pairing results. Except for two females which are overly het dilute-ish in appearance but normal patterned.
Thanks, dave
 
To be honest i have only recently started keeping pics. I know I suck. I can show you my WS. my male came from VMS as well. He has no yellow. I have info on his past breedings. I aquired a female anery homo charcoal from Joni Garcia. He will breed her and a snow as he is het amel. I will also breed him to another morph to see what the out come there is. Now that we are on a much larger scale I will be documenting all projects. I will have close to 200 pairings this year. Not a lot compared to you guys. We decided to only breed a portion of the collection. So there are a good many experiments that will wait. I will keep you up to date on the progress of the WS project. What year was your male born? Mine is a 98 model!
 
Interestingly enough, the male aztec I had was het for anery and amel. Mom for amel (unknown to me until the first one hatched out).
 
Aztec is like zig zag on and off. There are lines that produce Aztec more often than other. There are also normals that have Aztec babies. You can also breed to Aztecs together and get all normal patterned hatchlings. Do you know any history on your male?
 
I produced these 3 generations beginning in 2007. Here is mother, granddaughter & daughter. Each year gets better, I'm looking forward tho 2012!!


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Kaydasa has what the WS should look like. The ones Tom Tuttle posted are more like zig zags. I have a group of those but they are not consistently producing zigzag babies. Unlike the WS which can produce WS babies with a normal anery. The pattern will vary some. But I just kind of wanted some feed back from people who are working with the original WS stock. I have seen beautiful animals, only one or two seem to be what the morph standard should look like. Not being rude but some of the others are Aztec or zigzags.
 
Wide-Stripe is an unusual pattern mutation that we've yet to fully understand. Crosses to a standard pattern Anery in 2002 resulted in 100% Widestripe of at least the consistency of the parents, most were stronger patterned! Crosses to a Candycane in 2006, resulted in normally patterned corns. This suggests the mutation may be allelic to Anery. Whatever their true genetic makeup, they are very attractive animals. Very attractive indeed.

This came from VMS wher I bought my male WS.
http://www.vmsherp.com/ImagePages/Corns/Wide-StripeAnery.htm

http://www.vmsherp.com/ImagePages/Corns/Wide-StripeAneryCU.htm
 
nmoore601 said:
Wide-Stripe is an unusual pattern mutation that we've yet to fully understand. Crosses to a standard pattern Anery in 2002 resulted in 100% Widestripe of at least the consistency of the parents, most were stronger patterned! Crosses to a Candycane in 2006, resulted in normally patterned corns. This suggests the mutation may be allelic to Anery. Whatever their true genetic makeup, they are very attractive animals. Very attractive indeed.

This came from VMS wher I bought my male WS.
http://www.vmsherp.com/ImagePages/Corns/Wide-StripeAnery.htm

http://www.vmsherp.com/ImagePages/Corns/Wide-StripeAneryCU.htm
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Is this based on your personal observations?
 
chris68 said:
Hey Tom, I think that is a quote off of VMS' website...
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Thanks Chris. I'll be looking forward to seeing breeding results from the upcoming season. The statement makes it sound as if it is working as a codom with anery only. Interesting.
 
That's correct. That is a quote from VMS. I only breed to a anery with not gets. She yielded all WS babies. Again I will be Introducing him to my anery homo charcoal WS female and a few other morphs to see what happens and how it reacts. I only know of a few breeders that have true WS stock.
 
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