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300g YEARLING??

Haight

Haight

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So out of curiosity I would like to know what the largest yearling corn snake that any of you have encountered. I am asking because my 5 month old amel just passed 85g this morning, and from what I understand he is growing at an alarmingly fast rate. I've added up everything that I have fed him so far, and he has retained 48% of the gram weight of his food. Anyone else have a corn that grows this fast? If he keeps up this rate of growth then I anticipate him being over 300g at a year....seems impossible....but so far he is on track to achieve it.
 
I have a Striped Corn that was about 50 grams at 3 months and currently weighs 141 grams and he's now 10 months old.
 
Karl_Mcknight said:
I have a Striped Corn that was about 50 grams at 3 months and currently weighs 141 grams and he's now 10 months old.
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That's pretty big. I'm interested to see where Slinky will be in a few months. He is currently putting on about 7 grams per feeding, and I feed him every 5 days.
 
I expect my Rufus to be around 160 by his 1 year birthday. I'm feeding him every 7 days.

Your snake seems to be growing at about the same rate mine did, maybe slightly faster. But you also seem to be feeding him at a more aggressive rate than I do, so he could reach the mark of 300 grams by 1 year, but some people might argue he is growing too fast.

According to the Munson Feeding Plan, a snake such as your's (weighing 85 grams currently) should be fed 1 "Hopper" every 7 days. I have pretty much followed that schedule with Rufus and he currently eats an 18 gram mouse a week.

A lot of folks think the Munson Plan is too aggressive already, and the fact that you are feeding even more aggressively than the plan suggests could be why your snake is putting on the weight.

There is a thread here (I remember reading it several days ago) about somebody with a 900 gram snake. Very big indeed. Some snakes tend to grow bigger and faster and some are slower. It's probably genetics, but "We" control at least part of it in how much and how often we feed. I'm going to suggest that you don't over feed and tone it down a bit, for the health of the snake, but it's your snake so do as you please.
 
I had a teasers that grew to over 200g in a year. I did not feed him aggressively and he was on the same schedule as everyone else, he just grew REALLY fast. He's already on the breeding roster for next season, at a year and a half old.
 
Karl_Mcknight said:
I expect my Rufus to be around 160 by his 1 year birthday. I'm feeding him every 7 days.

Your snake seems to be growing at about the same rate mine did, maybe slightly faster. But you also seem to be feeding him at a more aggressive rate than I do, so he could reach the mark of 300 grams by 1 year, but some people might argue he is growing too fast.

According to the Munson Feeding Plan, a snake such as your's (weighing 85 grams currently) should be fed 1 "Hopper" every 7 days. I have pretty much followed that schedule with Rufus and he currently eats an 18 gram mouse a week.

A lot of folks think the Munson Plan is too aggressive already, and the fact that you are feeding even more aggressively than the plan suggests could be why your snake is putting on the weight.

There is a thread here (I remember reading it several days ago) about somebody with a 900 gram snake. Very big indeed. Some snakes tend to grow bigger and faster and some are slower. It's probably genetics, but "We" control at least part of it in how much and how often we feed. I'm going to suggest that you don't over feed and tone it down a bit, for the health of the snake, but it's your snake so do as you please.
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According to the munson plan that I read he should be getting a hopper every 5-6 days until 91g. At 4 days he is constantly out and about "hunting". I don't think I am feeding him aggressively.
 
Snakes are opportunistic feeders. In the wild, they would not be guaranteed a meal every set number of days, so they're going to be out looking right away.

Think about dogs, for a second. I had a lab mix who got 2 cups of food a day, and he was prone to gaining weight on that amount. He would have happily eaten 10 cups of food a day. Our corn snakes are like that.
 
This ^^^^^

I am resistant (fortunately) to the "my snake looks hungry thing" except on the already pre-planned feeding day. Then seeing my snake out hunting in the early evening sends me scurrying off to the kitchen to thaw a mouse.
 
I'd like to see a link to that Munson Plan you refer to that says it's ok to feed a hopper every 5 days. I'm looking at the schedule right now and I don't see that.

Also, many of us have seen pictures of your snake. "Obese" is the word to describe it.

Just because he's out "Cruising around hunting" as you say, does not mean you have to toss him a mouse anymore than you'd have to toss Oprah another twinkie when she's clearly already had enough.
 
Can a hatchling even get fat really? I mean mine looked downright obese the other day before dropping a massive pile of poo.
 
I have an original copy of the Munson plan and it says:

-When they're on single pinks (2-3g), I feed every 4-5 days. (Snake = 4-15g)
-Double pinks (3g x 2) every 4-5 days. (Snake = 16-23g)
-Small fuzzies (5-7g) every 5-6 days. (Snake = 24-30g)
-Regular fuzzies (7-9g) every 5-6 days (Snake = 30-50g)
-Hoppers (9-12g) every 5-6 days (Snake = 51-90g)
-Weaned (14-20g) every 7 days (Snake = 91-170g)
-Adult (24-30g) every 7-x days (Snake = 170+)
-Jumbo Adults (40-50g) every 7-x days (Snake = 400g+)

Note: Adult females are fed more frequently than adult males (especially following brumation). Females are fed every 6-8 days; males are fed every 7-14 days.

This is by no means scientific.

It is considered a bit aggressive and I've seen versions with the intervals increased.
 
the copy I have shows a snake of 85g (actually 51 to 90 g) being fed 1 @ 10 gram hopper every 7 days.

Interesting.

So who has the correct copy? LOL
 
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DollysMom said:
I have an original copy of the Munson plan and it says:

-When they're on single pinks (2-3g), I feed every 4-5 days. (Snake = 4-15g)
-Double pinks (3g x 2) every 4-5 days. (Snake = 16-23g)
-Small fuzzies (5-7g) every 5-6 days. (Snake = 24-30g)
-Regular fuzzies (7-9g) every 5-6 days (Snake = 30-50g)
-Hoppers (9-12g) every 5-6 days (Snake = 51-90g)
-Weaned (14-20g) every 7 days (Snake = 91-170g)
-Adult (24-30g) every 7-x days (Snake = 170+)
-Jumbo Adults (40-50g) every 7-x days (Snake = 400g+)

Note: Adult females are fed more frequently than adult males (especially following brumation). Females are fed every 6-8 days; males are fed every 7-14 days.

This is by no means scientific.

It is considered a bit aggressive and I've seen versions with the intervals increased.
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This is precisely the chart I was referring too.
 
Karl_Mcknight said:
the copy I have shows a snake of 85g (actually 51 to 90 g) being fed 1 @ 10 gram hopper every 7 days.

Interesting.

So who has the correct copy? LOL
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I wish I could find Roy Munson's (Dean Arnold's) original post of it again, and link to it for you, but I did a copy and paste of it months ago from his original post on this forum and that is what I shared here.

I feed a little more conservatively. I never feed closer than 5 days and I go anywhere between 3 and 25 grams over before sizing up prey. Of course I only got to 60 grams with Dolly and he was still on large fuzzies at 6 day intervals when he escaped.

Cleo is 25 grams and her last meal was 2 pinks totalling 5 grams at a 5 day interval. I have one 5 gram pinky that will be her next meal before moving to a 5 gram fuzzy and gradually moving up in fuzzy size. it is really nice to be able to buy enough and sort by weight to move up gradually.

I'm just offering how I modify Munson to fit my judgement and the girth of my snake. Munson is just a guideline and in my opinion it was intended to be used with a huge dose of discretion.
 
DollysMom said:
Found a link to a post by the man himself. Not sure this is the first time he ever posted it, but I think it will do.

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=266140&postcount=3

Getting better at refining my forum searches :). I see this is a little different and with some even shorter intervals than what I had before.
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Thank you for finding that!
Yes, his original feeding plan is aggressive to some.
I like the modified one, where hatchlings are fed every 5-6 days, then once they move up to double pinks and up, I feed every 7 days (with the exception of adult males, who go every 2-3 weeks between feedings.)

This winter, my snakes have not been fed as frequently as I normally feed, due to some storms that have rolled through. When we have a pending storm, if they are due to be fed, I hold off, because we have lost power a couple times, and I do not want to risk any regurges.
 
MysticExotics said:
Thank you for finding that!
Yes, his original feeding plan is aggressive to some.
I like the modified one, where hatchlings are fed every 5-6 days, then once they move up to double pinks and up, I feed every 7 days (with the exception of adult males, who go every 2-3 weeks between feedings.)

This winter, my snakes have not been fed as frequently as I normally feed, due to some storms that have rolled through. When we have a pending storm, if they are due to be fed, I hold off, because we have lost power a couple times, and I do not want to risk any regurges.
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I am absolutely on board with you on that. Of course you have loads more experience than I do. Not like you need my agreement or anything, lol ;)
 
MysticExotics said:
Yes, his original feeding plan is aggressive to some.
I like the modified one, where hatchlings are fed every 5-6 days, then once they move up to double pinks and up, I feed every 7 days (with the exception of adult males, who go every 2-3 weeks between feedings.)
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I do the same except for young adults. They go to every 10 days and adults go to every 14 days (female breeders excluded)

I'd use the Munson plan if I want to get a snake up to breeding size as quick as possible which I normally don't plus the snake has to be onboard with the plan also. They usually aren't LOL
 
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