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While I do not believe that it is best to co-hab corn snakes. I do believe in many people's effort to communicate their displeasure with co-habbing, they lose sight of the issue.

Every week, many people look for help on this forum because their snake is not eating. Many helpful people offer different reasons why the snake may not be eating and different methods to help.

But as soon as the person seeking the help mentions that they have more than one snake in a viv, that becomes the focus of many people. Stress can cause a snake to not eat. And, yes, it is believed that co-habbing causes stress. But there are also environmental causes of stress, such as the temps being wrong or not enough hides and others.

For many hatchlings it can be that they do not see the pink, or whatever food prey is being offered to them, as food. That is why many people suggest scenting the prey with other things. In my experience, I have had great luck with this.

My point is, when someone has a snake that is being co-habbed that is also not eating, we should not forget that the most important thing is to get that snake to eat. If attempts to scent the prey don't work, and all other environmental stress factors are removed or corrected, then it would be a reasonable next step to move the affected snake to its own viv. But, we have too many people with snakes that won't eat, that are being housed individually, to think that co-habbing is the main reason a snake won't eat.
 
cyclone said:
Listen I am very happy you care and I like to hear each and every one of your advise, but when you tell me "in your experiances" its yours not mine. I like this site but you guys take things a little too serious. I know for a fact what sexes my pairs are, I do not put more then one male in when breeding. In my experiance when you house snakes together you breed into the snake to co exsist together. Starsevol that was just a big mess up on your part, before introducing snakes together you MUST KNOW what sex they are. She is seperated from the others and I have a pinkie in there with her. If not Ill just give her to the reptile zoo and see if they can help her.
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FYI, I had never co-habbed adult snakes before. I didn't (and still don't) believe in it. I had a Matrix rack with 3 seperate cages containing my ball pythons. In March 2005 the heating element melted, and would have burned down my house if I had not caught it. I had to rearrange the snakes and co-hab a few until I could get another housing unit. I housed those 2 together specifically because I thought they were males. It was a VERY temporary situation.

Yes, it was my fault.
Yes, a snake DIED because of co-habbing.
But, I believe the experiance made me a better keeper, and taught me a huge lesson.
And now, I honestly think I know more than someone who purposely houses corns together, foolishly believing that her snakes will "evolve" into herd animals overnight!
 
Rich in KY said:
While I do not believe that it is best to co-hab corn snakes. I do believe in many people's effort to communicate their displeasure with co-habbing, they lose sight of the issue.

Every week, many people look for help on this forum because their snake is not eating. Many helpful people offer different reasons why the snake may not be eating and different methods to help.

But as soon as the person seeking the help mentions that they have more than one snake in a viv, that becomes the focus of many people. Stress can cause a snake to not eat. And, yes, it is believed that co-habbing causes stress. But there are also environmental causes of stress, such as the temps being wrong or not enough hides and others.

For many hatchlings it can be that they do not see the pink, or whatever food prey is being offered to them, as food. That is why many people suggest scenting the prey with other things. In my experience, I have had great luck with this.

My point is, when someone has a snake that is being co-habbed that is also not eating, we should not forget that the most important thing is to get that snake to eat. If attempts to scent the prey don't work, and all other environmental stress factors are removed or corrected, then it would be a reasonable next step to move the affected snake to its own viv. But, we have too many people with snakes that won't eat, that are being housed individually, to think that co-habbing is the main reason a snake won't eat.
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You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Rich in KY again

Oh and just to add, nice one on becoming a contributor! :D
 
Yes, it was my fault.
Yes, a snake DIED because of co-habbing.
But, I believe the experiance made me a better keeper, and taught me a huge lesson.
And now, I honestly think I know more than someone who purposely houses corns together, foolishly believing that her snakes will "evolve" into herd animals overnight!

Bravo it will always make you a better and smarter breeder. But I bet you your snakes have never been with another snake ever. All my snakes have been with each other since they were hatchlings. What I mean by that is I have raised all my snakes from hatchlings and they have been very social with each other. When I do have a problem snake I do house them seperate and I do baby them until they are better. I have seperated them and they seem to fall into a depression and not eat for months. That has taught me to be a better snake owner.
 
As Susan mentioned you still have yet to fix your signature to conform to the rules of the forum. Why not change it when someone is considerate enough to let you know you're in violation of the rules before a moderator or someone confronts you.

On the topic:

I am glad your snakes are not eating or hurting each other, but how can you expect to stay that lucky housing solitary animals together?
 
cyclone said:
Yes, it was my fault.
Yes, a snake DIED because of co-habbing.
But, I believe the experiance made me a better keeper, and taught me a huge lesson.
And now, I honestly think I know more than someone who purposely houses corns together, foolishly believing that her snakes will "evolve" into herd animals overnight!

Bravo it will always make you a better and smarter breeder. But I bet you your snakes have never been with another snake ever. All my snakes have been with each other since they were hatchlings. What I mean by that is I have raised all my snakes from hatchlings and they have been very social with each other. When I do have a problem snake I do house them seperate and I do baby them until they are better. I have seperated them and they seem to fall into a depression and not eat for months. That has taught me to be a better snake owner.
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My snakes are with other snakes to BREED, you know, as nature intended.
Whether your snakes are raised from hatchlings to be together or not, snakes are solitary animals in nature FOR A REASON. You will not undo millions of years of evolution by housing snakes together from hatchlings.
Are YOUR snakes being harmed by your husbandry?
Maybe not, but quite possibly they are.
Nature made them solitary animals for a reason, and I am more inclined to believe that in this case, Old Ma Nature knows more than you do.
Are MY snakes being harmed by my husbandry?
I read and throughly digested BOTH Love books, and even though I'm no snake expert, I would have to say, no.
 
I think the question everyone wants to ask is:
If snakes are so "social" why do they avoid each other in nature when given a CHOICE?
Doesn't sound very social to me.
 
Tough topic and one that usually gets the crowd goin'. How is your baby doing now that you separated it and are trying to feed?
 
:bang: This reminds of a thread a while back where someone co-habbed and allowed the female to lay eggs in viv (which I think was a carboard box) claiming the female snake cuddled her eggs to keep them warm until hatching. Isn't it so amazing what some snakes do for people they co-hab with joy, they love their owners, they love to play with owner, they love each other. While for what 85% of us they don't do any of these things with joy and abandon, I feel so left out.
Cyclone I can also read the bleeping rules four line signature max. See when one can't follow a simple rule, can anything they do be trusted as good info. susang
 
susang said:
Cyclone I can also read the bleeping rules four line signature max. See when one can't follow a simple rule, can anything they do be trusted as good info. susang
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Since this member was unwilling to comply with the signature area rule on their own, even after being made aware of the rule, I edited it myself. The format was changed, but not the content.
 
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