A Rant.......

[ghosthousecorns]

But hey, so long as those sluts learn their lesson, right?

Unless you agree that women should be punished for having sex.

Well when it comes to putting words in people's mouths, I think you Nova C have done a pretty amazing job of taking my first post and misconstrueing the heck out of it..
Please tell me this is not the meaning you derived from my post..
I think the very first thing I said is that these people DO need an education. Maybe they could start with human anatomy and how reproduction works..
I don't think they should be punished for having sex, just learn how it is possible to do so without having kids, geez. In todays' world there is something called birth control. It is available to everyone and inexpensive. Anybody who gets knocked up in spite of this fact not once but THREE times, is not IMO a real sharp knife. Unless you want the kids and are at the place in your life where you can afford to have and raise them, how hard is it to go to a store and get some condoms or go on the pill?
So no, I am not at all convinced that the fact they have borne children makes them somehow more deserving. But I didn't call anybody a slut or any such thing. As a female I don't like that word or the fact the female is the "slut" while the guy getting a lot of action is "a stud" but that is society's double standard, not mine. You are right, the woman is often the one left holding the bag. And THAT is precisely why it's women who need to learn how to take precautions to not get pregnant in the first place. Or if you do, at least learn from the first time you make that mistake! Don't become a burden to society and keep having more and more just because you can!
That's what gets me about this particular example - not once but THREE times.. :headbang:

 

[Nova_C]

Shed, what I've said about your post is the logical conclusion of what you said:

And definitely someone who is responsible enough to NOT have all these kids already is just as much deserving of the financial aid and IMO a brighter candidate for college. Sometimes I think the system just rewards people for the wrong stuff.
Sorry for the rant, there's just so many welfare moms where I live and it bugs me what with the world overpopulation which I have ranted about elsewhere.

Right in there, that quote, taken directly from your post, is the sentiment that women should be punished for bearing children. Welfare moms, not as bright a candidate, etc. The only way to have children is to have sex. Ergo, you want to penalize these women for having sex.

As far as birth control, go ahead and read up. It's never 100% effective and a lot of children have been born as a result of failed birth control. And this is only the most benign reason.

We still live in a patriarchal society dominated by males. It's a lot better than it used to be, but there is still a lot of problems with women being forced into things they do not want. Have a look at the Catholic church for one of the most dominant forces in the world today preventing proper birth control. There is also the fact that a lot of these girls ARE uneducated and also scared and prone to manipulation by the guy. Some guys are dicks and won't use birth control.

AND THEN there is the simple fact that you are passing judgment on these women without knowing anything about their situation. You say they made a mistake three times? How do you know? How do you know why there are where they are? Maybe they were irresponsible, maybe they weren't, but to make the ones who were already victimized a victim of society's prejudice is exceedingly cold.

Ultimately, what have we got to lose by trying to help these women out? You say that anyone who doesn't have kids is a brighter candidate for college. I say that person has a much, much higher chance of making it without assistance than a so called welfare mom. Who are you to judge a person's worth?

Tim of T&J, what's the significance of your name? I don't follow. I guess it may not matter since it seems you just wanted to throw in your 2 cents without having to back it up. I'd prefer if you were able to post in a mature and reasoned manner, but if you haven't really got anything to add to a discussion then why even post in the thread?

 

[ghosthousecorns]

I know you like to debate, I seldom see you post about your snakes but you are always right there in the thick of it when these more controversial posts show up.
What you are doing is extrapolating what I said to your own conclusion and it isn't what I meant.
I said the system REWARDS people for the wrong stuff. Please tell me where I said anybody should be punished for having sex.
I stand by the statement that it's not real smart to have 3 kids and not use birth control if you can't afford to raise them. Sure it's not 100 percent but "The condom broke" isn't going to be a believable excuse for me the third time around.
The Catholics thing is true. But if a religious belief is stopping you from using birth control then maybe you shouldn't be having sex. Not that you should be punished but part of that religion is also abstinence until you are married.
If you do end up with unwanted kids there are also many couples unable to have children willing to adopt. I have argued enough with you since I feel we are just having this discussion because you like to exercise the debate skills and are missing my message - this thread is off topic anyway and I shall end by wishing wmdude luck in finding a way to fund his education.

 

[Nova_C]

I've already quoted where you said women should be punished for having sex. Kids are already a consequence, why add more?

Anyway, I post about my snake often. Generally nobody cares, but that's not a big deal. I get involved in some of these discussions because they're issues I care about and if you're going to hold it against me that I wish to promote understanding and tolerance for other people, well, okay, but I won't stop doing it.

Because that's what I do. If you want to look at my posting history to see where I get involved it may tell you a thing or two about why I join forums at all. I'm here to learn, but also to teach. Every single one of us has things to learn from others and things to teach others. I've learned much from many people here about more than just corn snakes. Am I to keep the things I've learned to myself?

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Planned Parenthood gives out free birth control if you can't afford it (condoms, pills, patch & shots). So their is no excuse for not being responsible. Yes, some people are immune to these methods (a friend of mine got pregnant on both the pill and the patch, she's married and my age), but it's a very, very small percentage.

And your darn straight that it ticks me off that I had to be 23, married or have kids to get any financial help even though I've been on my own since 18. It's BS and is discriminating against me for being a responsible adult.

 

[bekers71]

The simple fact is this: who ever makes the decisions to give out scholarships has criteria to go by. The OP obviously didn't meet that criteria. The girls with kids may have parents that make more money than yours but they also have more dependents. It is not for the scholarship boards to judge and criticize why some one has kids, how much your brakes cost etc. It is a simple fact of who has more dependents, financial status and who would benefit more from the scholarship. Life isn't always what you want it to be and some times it may not seem fare.

Oh and one other thing. How can every one judge the ones with kids so harshly? We don't know them, about them or their circumstances. When I was in the process of divorce I had 2 kids and trying to go back to school, some people looked at me the same way as some of you are looking at these young ladies. Know one knew me and just assumed the worse.

 

[cka]

Just my own personal experience...My wife went back to school in 2002 (Nursing)...She got "financial aid"; they were student loans...Certainly wasn't a free ride, but without it there was no way we could have afforded it, and I was making over 15.00/hr and she bartended part time...She studied while pouring drinks lol...

NO ONE deserves a free ride, whether it's for school, welfare etc...We work our butts off, and when we come home we get to see all the folks that live around here on "assistance", standing around outside doing NOTHING but waitin on their "assistance" money so they can stock up on cheap beer and Ramen noodles...My wife bought a 3 year old FWD Xterra, mainly so she can get around in winter when she starts doing home health care...One of our neighbors commented "Oh you guys must be rolling in the money"...Lazy so and so, with no (good) excuse NOT to have a job...My wife told her "No we just work for a living..." She hasn't spoken to us since ...

For the OP, all I can say is "Welcome to Reality"...It's never fair, and folks who could really use assistance, like you want for school, almost never get it...If you REALLY want to go to school, you'll figure out some way to make it happen...

 

[TandJ]

Tim of T&J, what's the significance of your name? I don't follow. I guess it may not matter since it seems you just wanted to throw in your 2 cents without having to back it up. I'd prefer if you were able to post in a mature and reasoned manner, but if you haven't really got anything to add to a discussion then why even post in the thread?

Um, because its my name dummy.. I noticed you can't follow along very well.... I am not sure what you want me to back up, because to a quite a few other folks kicking me pm's and repping me, they clearly understood what I was talking about, I think you missed the boat..

Your arguementive tatics are the same with everyone.. Trying to twist and convey words for what you think they were meant to say.. If your going to use strong arm tatics of twisting and dementing posts for what you think was said, so be it.. You win .. You win .. You win..

I have not seen a damn thing you have added other than your personal rhetoric , and games.. So why are you continuing the discussion when you have not added anything of value?

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[jazzgeek]

Um, because its my name dummy.. I noticed you can't follow along very well....

Apparently, neither can you; true, my prior post with the Denis Leary clip was directed towards you, but as always, I'm recognizing the irony in the mix. You'll attract more flies with honey than vinegar, and furthermore, being the a$$ho|e and being proud of it, doesn't make you right. (Trust me, I know this from experience. ) That was the point of my post, and yet, you apparently thought it was support for your position on my part. It wasn't.

And what Marion Morrison had to do with it, well, I'm still trying to figure that one out.

I am not sure what you want me to back up, because to a quite a few other folks kicking me pm's and repping me, they clearly understood what I was talking about, I think you missed the boat..

And when you can prove to me the direct correlation between the number rep points and the volume of personal messages to the veracity of one's opinion, we may yet have a germane conversation regarding the topic at hand. Otherwise, puffing up one's chest over the responses they receive privately is a weak and tenuous argumentative position.

Your arguementive tatics are the same with everyone.. Trying to twist and convey words for what you think they were meant to say..

Boo-freaking-hoo. Feeling like a victim because you can't articulate your position well enough without others needing to "twist and convey words" when all they're looking for is clarity?

Whether it's attempting to make a logical point in a debate/discussion, or trying to reach one's life goals, I don't hold it against anyone to be lazy and pathetic. That's their choice. (Sound familiar?) Whether it's in posting here or in trying to get temporary financial aid to improve one's place in life, why is it our responsibility to take care of someone else's mess? (Sound familiar?)

If your going to use strong arm tatics of twisting and dementing posts for what you think was said, so be it.. You win .. You win .. You win..

Waaaah. My heart does not bleed for you.

Tim, I've seen you resort to this response in many a discussion here on the boards, and have yet to see an instance where you've been "strong-armed". While I can't speak for everyone here, I think it's safe for me to say that most of us are just trying to "decrypt" your (quite often) cryptic messages, not alter them. If you can't get your point across the first time, it's frustrating enough for others to spend the time getting a more precise understanding; but to then claim that others are "twisting and dementing" by stating, "so, if what you mean is XYZ, then..." because they're just trying to figure out an obtuse and/or ambiguous statement, then you get no sympathy from me, and deserve every bit of scrutiny sent your way, especially if you try to claim victimization because of "political correctness".

I have not seen a damn thing you have added other than your personal rhetoric , and games.. So why are you continuing the discussion when you have not added anything of value?

I'm always amused by a response like this, because it's the NATURE OF A FORUM to one to "add their personal rhetoric". DUH.

Shoot, it's pretty much the definition of a forum.

Also, one man's treasure is another's trash. Personally, I think that Nova_C has added to the value of this discussion.

To everyone:

As I see it, this entire thread began with a qualifier, to wit:

Sorry but I need to blow off some serious steam.

Nothing wrong with blowing off steam, or creating a thread to vent. Hell, that's pretty much been the purpose of my two "Rat Poison" threads. But I doubt that wmdude was looking to gather support or consensus for an educational/sociological/governmental stance. He just wanted to blow off steam.

Kudos to all in this thread who have offered additional resources and information to help wmdude pursue his vocational goals.

And yep, I actually agree with those who have said, "Welcome to reality", but I pose this question:

If YOU were to read a response in my own "rant" threads about throwing blood clots into my lungs that said, "I have no sympathy for you", "deal with it", "welcome to reality", and so on......what would your initial reaction be to that particular respondent?

Sub-question: Why should it matter if one is in pursuit of health or in pursuit of personal goals?

Just sayin'.

regards,
jazz

 

[wmdude102086]

Ok Ok.....maybe I worded this wrong because all of the different words. But I am not elligible and HAVE NO REASON to be elligible for finacial aid. But a scholarship I feel I should be at least elligible for. They are saying I am elligible for NO scholarships because of my finacial aid goverment status. A scholarship isnt money for those in need. It can be used that way but there is a scholarship now going its a writing essay. It wants you to write a essay on the impact you can make as a nurse and I am not elligible at all to even compete in it. Not from the people who sponsor the scholarship but by the goverments status of me....That is what I dont find fair.

Other people are more elligilble but I think we should all at least be qualified when it comes to the scholarships

 

[Drizzt80]

Other people are more elligilble but I think we should all at least be qualified when it comes to the scholarships

Boy, I think that's a completely different (and more restrictive!) picture than just plain old financial aid. Scholarships tend to be from donated funds if I'm not mistaken and as the benefactor "I" would be able to set the terms for who gets and who doesn't. I could probably dictate that only green eyed corn snake keepers with no left big toe get to have my money . . . :shrugs:


D80

 

[diamondlil]

Funding for nursing training over here is a bit different. If we study at diploma level, we get a govt bursary that is sort of a grant, sort of a low wage. Too little to live on but not eligible for the cuts in tax and help with rent that people on social security get. So I had to pony up and work all through my training, first off in a nursing home at weekends, then as a nursing assistant part-time as the placements and studying allowed. (Supporting myself, the boys, and at that time their useless dad). Nursing degree students have to take out a loan from the govt, which I believe is interest free and paid back when your salary reaches a certain level. (I wasn't eligible for degree funding, because I already had my BSc)
All I can say is 'go for it'. Work to support yourself to get your training for a career. Never mind who is or isn't funded, what matters is that you are doing something for yourself. Even after a run of nightshifts that ended yesterday morning with a cardiac arrest that meant leaving work 3 hours late with the patient going to intensive care (We re-started him!), I love nursing and don't regret any sacrifices it took to qualify.

 

[wmdude102086]

Funding for nursing training over here is a bit different. If we study at diploma level, we get a govt bursary that is sort of a grant, sort of a low wage. Too little to live on but not eligible for the cuts in tax and help with rent that people on social security get. So I had to pony up and work all through my training, first off in a nursing home at weekends, then as a nursing assistant part-time as the placements and studying allowed. (Supporting myself, the boys, and at that time their useless dad). Nursing degree students have to take out a loan from the govt, which I believe is interest free and paid back when your salary reaches a certain level. (I wasn't eligible for degree funding, because I already had my BSc)
All I can say is 'go for it'. Work to support yourself to get your training for a career. Never mind who is or isn't funded, what matters is that you are doing something for yourself. Even after a run of nightshifts that ended yesterday morning with a cardiac arrest that meant leaving work 3 hours late with the patient going to intensive care (We re-started him!), I love nursing and don't regret any sacrifices it took to qualify.

I would really like to get my masters and go on to be a nurse practioner or anesthetist. I aint too much of a fan of chemistry so maybe not anesthetist....But even with my RN I would really like to work at Children's Hospital or the ICU....I go to school for UPMC so I will be working for them for at least 2 years. Then hopefully moving downnnnn South!

 

[LBoz]

That's so awesome! Working with children is really great, Cory. I bet you'll love it. If at all possible, try to get some work as an aid in the children's floors for experience. It can really help you after school is finished and you're looking for a job. My first job out of school was at Duke in NC. It was a fantastic experience. I'm considering going back to work very soon. I love that there's a current shortage again. There was a shortage when I started school, but by the time I'd finished, the pendulum had swung back and jobs were hard to come by.

I wish you the very best of luck. There really is a need for more great nurses out there.

 

[wmdude102086]

There are SO Many hopsital in Pittsburgh we have the major ones like West Penn and Allegheny General and the locals like Jeffereson and St Clair hopsital and then there is UPMC.....TONS of UPMC hospitals exist in Pittsburgh off the top of my head I can think of 8 hospitals in Pittsburgh that are huge and considered UPMC. And thats not counting the ones I forgot and the smaller local UPMC braches!

I did get called for a job as a aide at Children's hospital which I may look into!

 

[TandJ]

Dispite my poorly articulated words.. I honestly would like to see the best for anyone, under their own power.. Its a small obstacle, and I am sure there will be other doors open for you.. Don't give up, just find a way or make do, until you get what you want..

Regards.. Tim of T and J