Blue Apple Herps
aka Matthew, PhD
Irises look grey to me, at least on my monitor.
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Anery v. Charcoal?
- Thread starter Evol_girl
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Evol_girl
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It's hard to get a good close up of her - she's fast an wiggly and not camera (or people) friendly!!
I got a really good close look today though, I've never really gotten up and personal in her face before - and I think they might be a really dark grey. Theres at least what seems to be a slight difference between her pupil and iris.
So I'm gonna say she's likely an Anery. Time will probably tell more than iris - but thanks for everyone's help!!
I got a really good close look today though, I've never really gotten up and personal in her face before - and I think they might be a really dark grey. Theres at least what seems to be a slight difference between her pupil and iris.
So I'm gonna say she's likely an Anery. Time will probably tell more than iris - but thanks for everyone's help!!
Jessicat
All Pied Everything
There's so much variation in both morphs.. I think the best way to get good at visually iding Anery A vs. Anery B is to look at as many different pictures and examples as possible.
If you're not sure and don't have a lot of information from the breeder you might just have to wait until breeding trials to really tell for sure. If your snake is just a pet though and you don't want to get into breeding (nothing wrong with that), hopefully as it grows it will "reveal" itself and lean towards one morph.
As far as iris color goes.. take a picture in bright sunlight if you can or with flash. The sun seems to reveal true color that you can't always see indoors .. at least to me.
Here are some examples from my collection.
Granite (Anery A)
no Hypo involved with this guy and he has really surprisingly light grey eyes.
Hypo Granite
blue eyes and ruby pupils
And now for the Anery Bs
Phantom (Hypo and Anery B)
Another Blue eye ruby pupil
BUT in most light they look darker than ruby. Only in the bright sun do they shine through.
Pewter
Darker grey iris, black pupil
Pewter 2
Blueish grey and black pupil
Hope those different samples of Anery A and B eyes helped.
If you're not sure and don't have a lot of information from the breeder you might just have to wait until breeding trials to really tell for sure. If your snake is just a pet though and you don't want to get into breeding (nothing wrong with that), hopefully as it grows it will "reveal" itself and lean towards one morph.
As far as iris color goes.. take a picture in bright sunlight if you can or with flash. The sun seems to reveal true color that you can't always see indoors .. at least to me.
Here are some examples from my collection.
Granite (Anery A)
no Hypo involved with this guy and he has really surprisingly light grey eyes.
Hypo Granite
blue eyes and ruby pupils
And now for the Anery Bs
Phantom (Hypo and Anery B)
Another Blue eye ruby pupil
BUT in most light they look darker than ruby. Only in the bright sun do they shine through.
Pewter
Darker grey iris, black pupil
Pewter 2
Blueish grey and black pupil
Hope those different samples of Anery A and B eyes helped.
I have never seen an Anery, with a black iris, but, in an even earlier post I made (before saying that), I mentioned that I have seen Plenty of Charcoals with a "greyish" iris.
The greyish iris, of a Charcoal, is, usually, a bit different than that of an Anery. With more experience (especially if you have to see it in a photo), and with seeing them in person, you should be able to tell.
Evol_girl
New member
Hahaaha. Ok. Now I'm just giggling at all these iris talks an colors and variations.
As soon as Im able to get a good pic of her eyes I'll post it up for more experienced opinions. Of all these pictures - it's definitely, to me, more like the pewter 1 posted above then any of the others I've seen.
Until then, I've enjoyed this discussion and loved all the pretty anery variations!! I think I'll need a few more lessons in genetics along the way here - but this is a helpful start!
As soon as Im able to get a good pic of her eyes I'll post it up for more experienced opinions. Of all these pictures - it's definitely, to me, more like the pewter 1 posted above then any of the others I've seen.
Until then, I've enjoyed this discussion and loved all the pretty anery variations!! I think I'll need a few more lessons in genetics along the way here - but this is a helpful start!
Jessicat
All Pied Everything
Sorry, I was hoping I wouldn't end up confusing you even more! I don't have a straight Charcoal to post, so I posted Pewters (Anery B and Diffused) as well as Phantom (Anery B and Hypo) as my closest examples.
A straight Charcoal eye should be black pupil, and dark Iris, more coal looking than Anery A. Anery A pupils tend to be more blusish, but without Hypo they can be grey too. There's so much variation in both Anery morphs, I just wanted to give you as much variation as possible to look at.
Here's another photo that isn't mine that shows the stark difference between an Anery A and Anery B hatchling.
The Anery B, Charcoal on top is less contrasty with an almost blueish tint, the eyes look darker and more uniform.
Anery A is more contrasty all over, eyes included.
They mature differently as well. Anery As seem to get more colorful and have a tendancy to go brown, while Anery Bs are usually more monotone.
jessicat,
Not sure if My post will help the OP...but I can't help but say you have some of the hottest charcoal/anery based morphs i've seen in along time....well..with the exception my own of course..
Thanks! I hope my post was actually helpfull and not just a chance to show off my snakes. Might have been one of those days.. :sidestep:
Those pictures are from larger photo shoots that I'll hopefully post soon! I definitely have a thing for Anery morphs. Especially when Diffused is involved!
Evol_girl
New member
Sorry, I was hoping I wouldn't end up confusing you even more! I don't have a straight Charcoal to post, so I posted Pewters (Anery B and Diffused) as well as Phantom (Anery B and Hypo) as my closest examples.
A straight Charcoal eye should be black pupil, and dark Iris, more coal looking than Anery A. Anery A pupils tend to be more blusish, but without Hypo they can be grey too. There's so much variation in both Anery morphs, I just wanted to give you as much variation as possible to look at.
Here's another photo that isn't mine that shows the stark difference between an Anery A and Anery B hatchling.
The Anery B, Charcoal on top is less contrasty with an almost blueish tint, the eyes look darker and more uniform.
Anery A is more contrasty all over, eyes included.
They mature differently as well. Anery As seem to get more colorful and have a tendancy to go brown, while Anery Bs are usually more monotone.
Thanks! I hope my post was actually helpfull and not just a chance to show off my snakes. Might have been one of those days.. :sidestep:
Those pictures are from larger photo shoots that I'll hopefully post soon! I definitely have a thing for Anery morphs. Especially when Diffused is involved!
Your snakes are gorgeous! and I'm not more confused in general - but definitely more confused about my girl
She has that blue-green shimmer to her head like yours on top. I wish she was more friendly so I could just get a really good pic and get everyone's opinion!!I was told she is het Amel I think if that makes any difference? At the time I had no idea what that meant so I didn't pay much attention. Don't suppose there is anyway she could be both A and B?!? Because she really does seem to be a good in between. Her eyes are dark - more dark than the anery A samples everyone has posted, but I don't know about SUPER dark. She has that blueish / green glimmer to her which I think is super pretty but has a strong contrast with the white and grey and black which seems to be a bit more A - but doesn't seem to be going brown at all yet. UGH!!
hahaha. Ok. this is fun and if nothing else gives me a great chance to see everyones beautiful Anerys... A & B's!