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are you still feeding your snake mice & rats ???

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I'll also throw in here that there is a spontaneous skin rupture condition in snakes caused by people feeding prey items that have not eaten recently prior to feeding. It's caused by a lack of vitamin C from the gut contents of rodents. It is recommended to feed rodents that have eaten recently for full benefit of the vitamins contained within. Although many snakes produce enough vitamin C on their own to make up for the lack, many individuals do not and rely on the prey supplying it for them.

As to the condition, generally what is seen is the neck skin tears open longitudianally down the length as the snake ingests a food item and stretches the skin. This is one of the dangers of feeding fasted mice, let alone the loss of other nutrients.

(For a reference: Page 95-96 of the SACR Reptiles and Amphibians by Frye and Williams - great picture in there, also noted in the BSAVA Manual of Reptiles, 2nd ed. by Dirling and Raiti)

In regards to pinkies, also remember that that milk band contains the majority of the calcium content of the pink. I have not seen diarrhea or regurge in response to eating a pinky with a large milk band and actually I select for the ones that are full for prey items.
 
Now there's some interesting data. I had no idea about using fasted meals, all i know is about %40 of my frozen pinks have round, milk filled tummies.
 
hey

IF you think that a baby corn is going to go into a moues nest kill the mother and eat her babies or did you think that the mother mouse wouldent mind the snake taking one of babies. In the wild baby corns spend most of the time in the trees the hide under lose bark and it is a known fact a baby corn diet is made up of lizards not mice.YES I read in a reptile mag some years back that the lactoss in mouse milk is not good for snakes nobody said to keep the mice out for a hole day just afew hours just so the pink can diegest the milk
 
Iwant to make one thing clear

I hate to write , my spelling is bad so I have to chose words that I can spell or some what spell. So dont think I am nasty or rude I trying to do the best I can with the limited words that I can use sory If this comes the wrong way I started this thred to help not hurt thanx Princes for the privet message.
 
dude

what does that do for the snake in the trees and the baby corns found in the wild have lizards in there bellys this is documented not mice if it happnes it is very rare in the wild
 
i'm not trying to indicate that youre nessissarily WRONG, i think we may both have a valid point. However i do like to know where info comes from. as well, if you read that some years ago, it may have been proven wrong since then.
 
ok

true not to my knowlage If anybody knows about this subjict please inform us of the truth with some data to back it up so there is no problems
 
You are running around touting this as TRUTH, when you dont even have a source to back it up, then have the nerve to say you are right untill someone PROVES you are wrong?
 
I am not trying to be mean or a jerk, just helpful. If you use Internet Explorer, try out IESpell. It is a good spell checker that works well on form fields (like those here). For Firefox, try out Spellbound.
 
Food!!!!

Nothing new since reptiles are walking crawling garbage disposals. Now the reason we feed are snakes mice is because it is the easiest way to do it.Freeze them and get them when you want to feed your animals. Now if YOU can't afford mice then go to it but don't expect me to do your thing!
 
woe

I been doing this for 22 years I cant remember every where I read something the only reason I asked somebody to post wether mouse milk is bad or not and some proff is maybe they know where it is so everbody can read it so we put an end to the topic maybe there is a scientist viewing this thred who can shed some light on this subject why do you have to be so negative all the time
 
hey

to each his own I dont have to buy mice any more and when I need food for my snakes I can go to the supermarket and not have to wait for the rodent shipment any more or here him tell me oh I dont have that size in right now nor do I have to deal with cleaning mice and the smell that comes with it .I dont care how clean you keep them when you have a lot of snakes you have to keep a lot of mice.
 
I don't know about the rest of this but the fish would be neat. Is it at all bad if i feed it to my snake every now and then or could there be adverse affects. If there is a slight chance it could hurt him i don't want to try it. As for his regular diet i can afford to feed him properly to ensure his good health so Ill stick with rats. If you are no longer so poor why don't you go back to feeding your snake what we all know is healthy and not risk what could happen in the long run? Do you love your snakes as pets or do you just breed to sell and put some money in your pocket. I love my boy so i'll stick with whats proven. But thanks anyway.
 
live fish

you can bring in a host of parasites and diseases with fish I was just showing how a corns diet can be so varible. I told my friend the samething and he stoped feeding her fish. why go back to mice? My snakes are doing fine remember chicken and turkey chicks along with other birds are eaten in nature. why spend 10 times more money to feed my snakes. also how many years have people used grapefruit seed extract. What are the long term efects, do we realy know and how much good bactiera does it kill in the gut of your reptile? Yes I do it for both LOVE & money I also do converation work with restoring native herps to my local park.Working with the N.Y.C. parkes dept. for free. Its a lot of fun but hard work!
 
People have already pointed out things that are missing in your snakes diet, did you not read the return posts. Why would you risk it, why don't you do what you know is right? Instead of hope your way works as good.
 
new things

As time goes on people get use to do things the same way all the time I dont care how old or young a person is people a not used to change. this whole hobby was based on trial and error some ideas worked and some did not . everthing from mite remedies to disinfectants how to heat the cage ect. get the idea. I read every post and respond to everbody and if you read every post you see that my snakes get bone from the chicken necks and the nutritous marrow in the small bones . I feed pork ,chicken and turkey .for organ meat I use heart, gizzard, and livers every forth meal.I use rep cal for calcium and vitamin D3 and cook with salt every third or forth time. I use the skin off the fresh pork too. HUREY made the best comment yet about vitamin C and the use of multi vitamin supplement I think I will start to implicate this in their diet. also I been breeding for 20 years this spring . NO let me stand corrected. I got some breeding last week . I been doing this for 2 1/2 years and wanted to share this with everbody. I have only 60 animals I used to keep 250 snakes back in the day . so you just feed your snake rats. where do you get your rats from a pet store or do you breed your own, if you breed your own what do you feed the rats? I answerd your question now you answer mine.
 
I buy from a pet store that a friend of mine owns, he breeds them himself. I get them from .50 cents to $1.50 a head depending on quantity and size. What he feeds Im not sure. I am feeding a hopper and a pinkie or a 2 rat pups per feeding. Depending on his activity level and how hungry he seems.
 
Only 60 animals thats alot, what is your hottest seller if you don't mind me asking? I read you live in an apartment are they all in the apartment or do you have a store? I will be in new york city on the 10th to stay with a friend perhaps i could see you selection.
 
I'll stick to mice till their adults, then alternate a large mouse and a chick once a fortnight. It works for me and i havn't had any problems.

PS: If you can't afford to feed the proper died then get rid of your collection :headbang: . It's that simple isn't it? Don't live beyond your means.
 
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