wildernessey
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baby making clicking noise
- Thread starter wildernessey
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Amanda E
Snake Addict!
I know that you just got over the death of a snake so I don't want to overly concern you, because it may be nothing, but it also may be the first signs of a respiratory infection.
You need to make sure that the temps are just right and that the humidity isn't too high or low. You might want to consider putting a moist hide box in the cage near the warm end of the tank. It will give the snake a humid place to go if it needs it. Most people think that raising the heat and lowering the humidity will help to dry out the lungs but when I talked to my vet about treating a respiratory infection he said that an optional humid area is very beneficial, kind of like a humidifier helps us when we have respiratory problems. Drying out the lungs actually hurts them by making them more prone to inflammation. Raising the temps can be good (it acts kind of like an artificial fever), just don't lower the humidity. And if you raise the temps, still make sure that there is still a cool area the snake can escape to if it needs.
This may be too much info for you, but I wanted to start you off right, if it is indeed a respiratory infection. Also, you may want to call a local vet and see what they say as well, just in case. I probably would.
You need to make sure that the temps are just right and that the humidity isn't too high or low. You might want to consider putting a moist hide box in the cage near the warm end of the tank. It will give the snake a humid place to go if it needs it. Most people think that raising the heat and lowering the humidity will help to dry out the lungs but when I talked to my vet about treating a respiratory infection he said that an optional humid area is very beneficial, kind of like a humidifier helps us when we have respiratory problems. Drying out the lungs actually hurts them by making them more prone to inflammation. Raising the temps can be good (it acts kind of like an artificial fever), just don't lower the humidity. And if you raise the temps, still make sure that there is still a cool area the snake can escape to if it needs.
This may be too much info for you, but I wanted to start you off right, if it is indeed a respiratory infection. Also, you may want to call a local vet and see what they say as well, just in case. I probably would.
Uncloudy
New member
Happened to me
I have to let you know I heard the exact same clicking sound on one of my baby corns. What I learned happened was that the skin hadn't shed off completely or just right around the the nostral area. The good news is after the next shed the problem was fixed and I never heard the clicking sound again. This corn is now over 1.5 yrs and this happened when she was about 4 months old. It sure was weird hearing the clicking like popping sound. Hopefully next after your new corns next shed you will never hear the clicking sound again.
Happy Herping,
Uncloudy
I have to let you know I heard the exact same clicking sound on one of my baby corns. What I learned happened was that the skin hadn't shed off completely or just right around the the nostral area. The good news is after the next shed the problem was fixed and I never heard the clicking sound again. This corn is now over 1.5 yrs and this happened when she was about 4 months old. It sure was weird hearing the clicking like popping sound. Hopefully next after your new corns next shed you will never hear the clicking sound again.
Happy Herping,
Uncloudy
I've certainly seen posts from folks who have heard this clicking noise just before a shed. Theory is that it's the skin around the nostrils/mouth being loosened by the process. Could be nothing, but Amanda's suggestion of a moist hide is great. If it's a respiratory problem this will help and if he's going into a shed it will be useful as well.
CornCrazy
What's one more???
I have to disagree about using a moist hide if it is a respiratory infection (RI). Excess moisture tends to make the RI worse. Amanda's advice is very good...just make sure the humidity is at an optimal level. If the humidity is too low, then I suggest misting the tank instead of leaving a moist hide in with the snake all the time. The humidity in a moist hide will be too high; and if the snake decides to stay in there, it can make the RI worse. I have seen this happen in my collection and also with the snakes we've seen at work.
I have some snakes that will click like that before a shed, as well. Just keep a close eye on him. If you continue to hear the noise (especially if he starts doing it regularly), then you may want to take him to a vet for treatment. Watch for other signs of a RI, also. With a severe RI, you may see a discharge from the mouth or the snake may hold its mouth open when breathing.
Good luck and keep us posted!
I have some snakes that will click like that before a shed, as well. Just keep a close eye on him. If you continue to hear the noise (especially if he starts doing it regularly), then you may want to take him to a vet for treatment. Watch for other signs of a RI, also. With a severe RI, you may see a discharge from the mouth or the snake may hold its mouth open when breathing.
Good luck and keep us posted!
CornCrazy
What's one more???
I would let nature take its course. Try not to handle her much for the next day or two. Hopefully she will go ahead and shed and everything will be OK.
I have witnessed the "yawning" behavior prior to a shed, as well. I think it may help to loosen the skin on the head and make it easier to start getting the skin off.
I have witnessed the "yawning" behavior prior to a shed, as well. I think it may help to loosen the skin on the head and make it easier to start getting the skin off.
CornCrazy
What's one more???
You're welcome, Karen! Hopefully things will be fine after the shed. Definitely keep us posted!
I didn't notice the part about whether this might be her first shed, earlier. Do you know how old she is? Typically babies shed about a week after hatching. After that, as long as they are eating and growing normally, they shed approximately once a month. They shed less frequently as they get older.
I didn't notice the part about whether this might be her first shed, earlier. Do you know how old she is? Typically babies shed about a week after hatching. After that, as long as they are eating and growing normally, they shed approximately once a month. They shed less frequently as they get older.
Razorblade Jinx
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i have heard the clicking nose too. i know exactly what you are talking about! it didn't occure around a shed or anything. and Circe was always fine. maybe it's just something they do with their jaw? i never worried about it.
Tangoman
New member
I am still very new to this whole business of snake keeping but she doesn't sound too great does she? Do you have a vet nearby who deals with snakes? He may be able to help?
I remember how concerned I got when my little snake got a lump in his belly.
Good luck - although you have not had much of that have you?
I remember how concerned I got when my little snake got a lump in his belly.
Good luck - although you have not had much of that have you?
How about giving serious thought about taking the poor thing to a reptile vet? Sometimes, especially when there are so many doubts and worries, 'letting nature take it's course,' can mean watching the snake inch towards death. This, in itself is not a positive lesson for a kid to learn. It really adds to feelings of helplessness. Consulting with a knowledgeable professional early and getting the information needed plus treatment can be very empowering. Knowledge is power. As anxiety provoking as such an experience as this is; it is also an opportunity to add to your snake husbandry education. Personally, I just absolutely squirm when I hear about an animal's health being neglected for any reason. A trip to the vet can set your minds at ease. Then you'll know what course nature is taking. :headbang:
MFZeier
Anaconda, MT
MFZeier
Anaconda, MT
CornCrazy
What's one more???
Her baby was only making clicking noises because it was in blue phase. You shouldn't jump to conclusions that she was "neglecting" her snake. She came here to get advice from knowledgeable people and was VERY willing to follow that advice. There are several vets and licensed vet techs that visit this forum and wildernessey followed their advice. Her baby quit making clicking noises as soon as it shed.
By the way, some babies just aren't meant to make it. Many never begin feeding and they end up starving themselves to death. This is what happened with wildernessy's snake. Believe me, sometimes nothing can be done to change that. I work with MANY non-feeders every year. I save a lot, but many don't make it. Sometimes, "nature" wins out.
When I suggested for Karen to let nature take its course, I was referring to the whole shedding cycle. Karen said that the snake was in blue phase. I didn't think she should do anything about the clicking until after the baby shed because I felt that the clicking was due to ecdysis. I have seen the same thing MANY times.
Yes, everyone with reptiles should find a herp vet in their area just in case they need one. However, many herp related problems can be fixed with slight adjustments in husbandry. I would say that 95% of the reptiles we see in our clinic are sick due to bad husbandry practices. If people can be instructed on how to properly keep their reptiles, then many reptile vets would be out of business.
Please don't think I am coming down hard on you. I just think you were presumptuous in assuming that Karen's snake was suffering due to neglect. Karen was very concerned about her snake and we spoke on several occasions about what should be done for the little one. She did seek out knowledgeable professionals for help.
By the way, some babies just aren't meant to make it. Many never begin feeding and they end up starving themselves to death. This is what happened with wildernessy's snake. Believe me, sometimes nothing can be done to change that. I work with MANY non-feeders every year. I save a lot, but many don't make it. Sometimes, "nature" wins out.
When I suggested for Karen to let nature take its course, I was referring to the whole shedding cycle. Karen said that the snake was in blue phase. I didn't think she should do anything about the clicking until after the baby shed because I felt that the clicking was due to ecdysis. I have seen the same thing MANY times.
Yes, everyone with reptiles should find a herp vet in their area just in case they need one. However, many herp related problems can be fixed with slight adjustments in husbandry. I would say that 95% of the reptiles we see in our clinic are sick due to bad husbandry practices. If people can be instructed on how to properly keep their reptiles, then many reptile vets would be out of business.
Please don't think I am coming down hard on you. I just think you were presumptuous in assuming that Karen's snake was suffering due to neglect. Karen was very concerned about her snake and we spoke on several occasions about what should be done for the little one. She did seek out knowledgeable professionals for help.
Number 1. You can not diagnose in a forum.
Number 2. Speculation, founded on a fraction of data, is not a viable diagnosis. In the mean time, with all the advice, no one really knows what happened or why. The possibility also exists that all the snake needed was a routine regamine of amykacin.
Don't judge? I offered my educated and experienced advice. I was tactful. I used "I" statements, please and thank you. I am not responsible for the reactive emotional choices of others. I, in turn, have been lambasted for language in a post 'judged' to be (allegedly) unpleasant. Accused of many a character failing. I am astonished to find that a person can have such intimate knowledge of my character as to know such things about me from a single, anonnymous post.
I do not promise to ever or always say only what others want to hear, to avoid saying anything that might hurt feelings or result in the reactive emotional tirade that was gifted to me. Obviously long timers have their allies on this site. But, is every position of thy internet friend worth backing? Participating with them to the extent of falling into episodes of the "Worst of us"? I hate when a forum becomes cliquish like the worst of high school. I, in my naivete, believed that I would interact with professionaly minded people here. I made one post, one!
Nothing changes without confrontation of some type to some degree. There is no progress without change. And people can discuss and disagree while still being considerate of the ideas of others and folowing basic rules of decorum. I am not insensitive, Read through the lines and you may discover that it is quite the opposite.
I entertain no hidden agendas, no misdirected compassion.I do not enable disfunctions, I sling no bull****. Facts are enough. Truths are enough. I am not interested in investing a lot of verbal foreplay and semantic contortion before I get to the point. Aren't we all mature here. Aren't we? How much sugar, denial and avoidance does it take to be an OK member of the group? Value is not determined by how sweetly something is offered or how pretty is it's cover. Value is determined by how applicable, useable and effective a thing is.
Tell me please, was my advice in error? Is veterinary care considered an option, among other members of cornsnakes.com for our dependent animal companions? Am I some kind of zelot?
Please know that I did read through the posts. Everyone was sympathetic. I was sympathetic too, to the feelings of the owner, but also to the plight of the snake, I still cry over losses I have experienced. What would be the point of using more space to add more maudlin? Comiseration is step one. Taking action; doing the right thing comes next. This snake needed the physical proximity of a professional, aka veterinarian. Prove me wrong and I will acquiesce.
Look, I do not ever intend to cause any kind of personal arguments. Regardless of how it's taken, I make no personal attacks. I do not hide in secrecy to carry out character assasinations. This unworthy issue has been morphed into something personal. To serve what good purpose? I have better things in my life that I can give my energies to. Like cleaning snake cages and updating the records, yada, yada, yada already.
"I will argue this issue no more forever."
History trivia buffs, who's quote have I paraphrased (massacred), and for which event was it spoken?
May God Bless you with whatever you need.
My Two Cents.
Thanks
Number 2. Speculation, founded on a fraction of data, is not a viable diagnosis. In the mean time, with all the advice, no one really knows what happened or why. The possibility also exists that all the snake needed was a routine regamine of amykacin.
Don't judge? I offered my educated and experienced advice. I was tactful. I used "I" statements, please and thank you. I am not responsible for the reactive emotional choices of others. I, in turn, have been lambasted for language in a post 'judged' to be (allegedly) unpleasant. Accused of many a character failing. I am astonished to find that a person can have such intimate knowledge of my character as to know such things about me from a single, anonnymous post.
I do not promise to ever or always say only what others want to hear, to avoid saying anything that might hurt feelings or result in the reactive emotional tirade that was gifted to me. Obviously long timers have their allies on this site. But, is every position of thy internet friend worth backing? Participating with them to the extent of falling into episodes of the "Worst of us"? I hate when a forum becomes cliquish like the worst of high school. I, in my naivete, believed that I would interact with professionaly minded people here. I made one post, one!
Nothing changes without confrontation of some type to some degree. There is no progress without change. And people can discuss and disagree while still being considerate of the ideas of others and folowing basic rules of decorum. I am not insensitive, Read through the lines and you may discover that it is quite the opposite.
I entertain no hidden agendas, no misdirected compassion.I do not enable disfunctions, I sling no bull****. Facts are enough. Truths are enough. I am not interested in investing a lot of verbal foreplay and semantic contortion before I get to the point. Aren't we all mature here. Aren't we? How much sugar, denial and avoidance does it take to be an OK member of the group? Value is not determined by how sweetly something is offered or how pretty is it's cover. Value is determined by how applicable, useable and effective a thing is.
Tell me please, was my advice in error? Is veterinary care considered an option, among other members of cornsnakes.com for our dependent animal companions? Am I some kind of zelot?
Please know that I did read through the posts. Everyone was sympathetic. I was sympathetic too, to the feelings of the owner, but also to the plight of the snake, I still cry over losses I have experienced. What would be the point of using more space to add more maudlin? Comiseration is step one. Taking action; doing the right thing comes next. This snake needed the physical proximity of a professional, aka veterinarian. Prove me wrong and I will acquiesce.
Look, I do not ever intend to cause any kind of personal arguments. Regardless of how it's taken, I make no personal attacks. I do not hide in secrecy to carry out character assasinations. This unworthy issue has been morphed into something personal. To serve what good purpose? I have better things in my life that I can give my energies to. Like cleaning snake cages and updating the records, yada, yada, yada already.
"I will argue this issue no more forever."
History trivia buffs, who's quote have I paraphrased (massacred), and for which event was it spoken?
May God Bless you with whatever you need.
My Two Cents.
Thanks
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CornCrazy
What's one more???
coyote said:
No one said anything about diagnosing in a forum, but there are LOTS of knowledgeable people here that can offer good advice. There are many reptile issues that can be fixed simply by adjusting husbandry. The majority of reptile illnesses are caused by bad husbandry practices. In a lot of cases, by fixing the husbandry problems, the illness is fixed.
This forum is a wonderful place for people to come for advice. The people who come here do not come for judgment. They honestly want to learn more about their pets and about the proper way to care for them. They value the advice that more experienced members here can give them.
You seem to be a smart guy/girl. I'd be willing to venture that you might have a lot of knowledge and experience to add to this site. People will not want to listen, however, if you always come across the way you did in this thread. Just a friendly bit of advice...