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baby making clicking noise

Absolutely true...both Terri and Karen.

This place is a haven for cornsnake owners...
It is usually a friendly environment...especially for new people...and new owners.

Sure there is good banter...and teasing...and the occasional fight...but these are all kept to a minimum...

I agree that Coyote does seem to have a wealth of knowledge to share...and it would be much appreciated by us all...
But given the grasp of the English language that coyote has presented...the precise placement of words could be better arranged to change the hostile inflection to a much more positive one...

Just my $0.02...which probably is only worth about half that...LOL
 
The Snake is dead, so obviously he/she did not get the advice he/she needed. Respiratory infections are the cause of most snake deaths in captivity. I did not hear one person suggest raising the temperature or giving antibiotics. I read through this entire thread and I don’t know anything about the husbandry condition the snake was in. This would be the first thing that I would want to know before suggesting anything. The snake was eating at one point, so a medical cause seems to be the most likely cause of her symptoms and eventual death. I have never heard this clicking noise, but any sounds while breathing are suspect of a respiratory problem. If the nostrils get clogged, which causes noise, it is usually due to discharge and foreign material clogging things up.

A huge clue was the obvious medical problems a sibling had at the Pet Shop. Corn Snakes have to be kept is some pretty bad conditions to get respiratory infections or sores. It definitely sounds like somewhere in the chain of possession of this snake, there are some problems.

I have been to wholesalers places of business and have sold lots of snake to them. Some are good and some are extremely bad. Mixing a bunch of animals together in a very confined place from multiple sources is certainly not the best of situations and can very easily spread disease around. There are some very bad #$%& out there that is not treatable and can wipe out entire colonies.

Pet Shops can be good and bad, the same way that wholesalers can be. There are 1000’s of breeders of Corn Snakes on this forum. It seems like a good idea to me to remove as many people in the chain of possession, and possible exposures to other reptiles that may be carrying a disease, and buy direct. Pet Stores can do the same thing.

I have lost many snakes over the years for a variety of different reasons. I know that I could have saved some of them, if I would have not waited it out. Some snake just want to die for some reason as was stated above. I lose a lot of my hatchlings from starvation. Perhaps it is natural selection in captivity. Raising the temperature 5 degrees or more increases the snake metabolism a lot and will help the snakes own immune system fight the problem. This is always the first thing that I do. Snakes generally recover very fast, if the treatment is appropriate. If there is no change in the condition very soon , another approach should be taken. Antibiotics can work wonders on many problems, especially respiratory illness. Raising the temperature and administering antibiotics is a very good first step to take in most situations. Sometimes it is just too late and nothing will help.
 
ecreipeoj said:
The Snake is dead, so obviously he/she did not get the advice he/she needed. Respiratory infections are the cause of most snake deaths in captivity. I did not hear one person suggest raising the temperature or giving antibiotics. I read through this entire thread and I don’t know anything about the husbandry condition the snake was in. This would be the first thing that I would want to know before suggesting anything. The snake was eating at one point, so a medical cause seems to be the most likely cause of her symptoms and eventual death. I have never heard this clicking noise, but any sounds while breathing are suspect of a respiratory problem. If the nostrils get clogged, which causes noise, it is usually due to discharge and foreign material clogging things up.

A huge clue was the obvious medical problems a sibling had at the Pet Shop. Corn Snakes have to be kept is some pretty bad conditions to get respiratory infections or sores. It definitely sounds like somewhere in the chain of possession of this snake, there are some problems.

I have been to wholesalers places of business and have sold lots of snake to them. Some are good and some are extremely bad. Mixing a bunch of animals together in a very confined place from multiple sources is certainly not the best of situations and can very easily spread disease around. There are some very bad #$%& out there that is not treatable and can wipe out entire colonies.

Pet Shops can be good and bad, the same way that wholesalers can be. There are 1000’s of breeders of Corn Snakes on this forum. It seems like a good idea to me to remove as many people in the chain of possession, and possible exposures to other reptiles that may be carrying a disease, and buy direct. Pet Stores can do the same thing.

I have lost many snakes over the years for a variety of different reasons. I know that I could have saved some of them, if I would have not waited it out. Some snake just want to die for some reason as was stated above. I lose a lot of my hatchlings from starvation. Perhaps it is natural selection in captivity. Raising the temperature 5 degrees or more increases the snake metabolism a lot and will help the snakes own immune system fight the problem. This is always the first thing that I do. Snakes generally recover very fast, if the treatment is appropriate. If there is no change in the condition very soon , another approach should be taken. Antibiotics can work wonders on many problems, especially respiratory illness. Raising the temperature and administering antibiotics is a very good first step to take in most situations. Sometimes it is just too late and nothing will help.
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Joe,

Amanda spoke about raising the temps in her first post on page one. Antibiotics were not talked about specifically, but it was suggested that she contact a vet if things got worse, or did not get better.

Yes...the snake died. But it died because it wouldn't eat, not because of a RI. If I remember correctly, the snake never ate for Karen. So she had to deal with another problem...anorexia. Sometimes there is no explanation for anorexia and no matter what is done the baby doesn't make it.

I agree that if the initial steps don't help, then another approach should be tried. In this case, the initial steps DID help (i.e. - the noises stopped after the snake shed).

I know many people who have had babies that never started eating. I work with lots of non-feeders every year...and have had several that died. Just because a baby refuses to eat, doesn't mean that the owner neglected it.
 
I don’t like getting involved in these kinds of threads, because many things that are said can be taken the wrong way. I am sure in this situation, the problem started long before the Corn was acquired. It also sounds like there is another thread associated with this one. It looks like some post have disappeared as well, because I seem to remember other info. Amanda’s help in the beginning of this thread was very good advise. I guess I did not read it thoroughly.

The opinions about situations like this one vary tremendously. I remember a comment that I made on this forum somewhere about putting kinked babies in the freezer and it really got somebody in England fired up. They told me that if I had done that in England that I would have been fined, put in jail for animal cruelty, and never been allowed to own animals again. WOW! That seems a bit extreme to me. I thought I was just putting down an animal with birth defects.

I really care about my animals a great deal, but I am not the type to spend a lot of money at the Vet to treat something that I could replace easily. I can treat most of my animals myself. Some people will spend thousands and thousands of dollars on their mutt that gets hit by a car. I do not get emotionally attached to my animals, even though they are one of the most important things in my life, and some people think of them as family members. Who is right and who is wrong?

I use to try to save every hatchling that I produced. I lizard scented and pinky pumped myself nearly to insanity. Now, I offer them live, thawed and brained until they decide to eat my offering given to them on a silver platter or they go to snake heaven. If they don’t take one of those to start with, they may not be the best snake to have as a pet or raise as a future breeder. Am I neglecting my hatchlings because I do not offer them anoles or pinky pump them, some people would say yes. I say that I am selecting captive bred offspring that will be more likely to survive in captivity and produce offspring that will be more likely to do the same. Who is right and who is wrong?
 
Yes, ecreipeoj, there was another thread regarding this snake. Possibly more than two, but I don't remember for sure. I deleted most of my posts.....it leaves no fuel for the fire.
 
Ok I feel silly now...I just noticed your user name is your name spelled backwards! How neat!
And yes, I agree with you.
Your post is very well put!
 
I'm truly sorry for your loss(es)...gosh that's got to be hard. Yet, I do want you to know that there is another side to the effects of this... I learned volumes reading your posts how the scenario unfolded. Thank you for having the strength to come here and ask for help, vent your frustration, and come under some element of fire for what was apparently perceived as neglect. I wish you well...and hope you and your son are able to give it another go at some time. You know that you know what to do...you have your lovely ghost as proof. Many hugs...and wishes for a better run of luck.
 
Hi all... Firstly this is a great forum with lots of helpfull advice... even if a little of it ends up in bickering :p

I'd like to thank thoes here as they've been a great help. We have a blood-red baby corn (about 3 months old or so...) that we noticed was making the clicking noises mentioned after we got him home.

Diagnosis:
At first I thought it would likely be a sheding issue as there were no other symptoms.

The clicking became more frequent however and I noticed that sometimes when handling the clicking would coinside with a physical thump in his body. 'Dave' was opening his mouth a lot as well, like yawning (which we do if we need more oxygen).

We decided to get to a reptile vet where we noticed for the first time that there was a small amount of saliva like mucus when he opened his mouth.

Looks like it is an RI.

Treatment:
As Dave is so small the usual antibiotic injections were a no-no. Putting the anti-biotics in food also doesn't work (needs them every day). We've been given an antibiotic solution and are gonna try to administer one drop daily either inside his mouth or on the nose so he licks it in. Difficult task I expect. :uhoh:

We also have to try and get the vivarium setup EXACTLY right (a little more heat and humidity can help) and we've been advised to try for 90F in the hot bit, 40% humidity and use newspaper as substrate so there are no particles about.

All we can do now is do our best and keep our fingers crossed... :(

Advice
My only advice is if in doubt get straight to a vet! Our diagnosis was only £25 including the antibiotics and a syringe. I'd be happy to pay that for peace of mind.

If you don't have a reptile vet I'd get the vivarium settings just right and keep a clear look out for 'yawning' and mucus... Catch it EARLY!
 
I'm sorry to hear about the little guy dying.
I dont know about you, but if i bought a snake (or any animal for that matter) from a pet store, and it died, i certainly wouldnt go BACK to the same store for another. Now if the second snakes was given to you, as in a warranty situation, that thats another story all together :)

I would suggest that if you intend to replace it, go to a reputable breeder, or at least another store.
 
I don't know if I agree with that...some snakes just are not meant to make it...

If the store is clean...and the husbandry is good...the people seem adequately knowledgeable about reptiles...I would go back...
Of course I haven't bought ANY of my reptiles from a pet store (Unless Chicago Reptile House counts...they are a retail location...but reptile specific).
 
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