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Bites

that's a sure way to end up with a permanently aggressive snake! just start with the snake like it's a baby again...
handle for brief periods of time.. just a few minutes after it's calmed down some

having a snake that snaps every time you try to clean the tank is a bad idea...
 
permanently agressive. . .

Well, it makes me sad to think that my Penny would be agressive towards me, since she hasn't always been a biter. But also, I am not afraid of her. I know she will get some more length and width on her in the coming years, but I will never be afraid to grab her long enough to put her in the feeding box or to take her water dish. Usually it doesn't even give her enough time to musk me (another favorite activity of hers.) And maybe, as a wild captive, that is all the stress I need to put her through.

I don't believe that I should really treat my snakes as "pets" in the traditional sense. When I put Penny back in her cage and she rattles around, moving at every shadow in an "S" position, I am reminded that snakes are not like dogs or cats and that keeping them is a different thing than keeping dogs, or horses, or even rats as companions. I feel guilty almost, because I own snakes for more vanity reasons than I would own a dog; a dog is for companionship, my snakes are in my home because every aspect of them fascinates me. I mean, what a selfish reason to keep a living creature in a Rubbermaid container! (Though it is a nice, big, clean one!) And so, I would rather be tagged once in a while than put this creature through more torture of handling when she doesn't even tolerate it, much less *like* it after months of patient handling on my part. I have other snakes that don't mind being held for infinite amounts of time as far as I can tell. I can be holding my normal corn, go and touch him right on the tip of the snout and he doesn't even flinch. He strolls back into his hide when I put him in his cage, and sticks his neck back out inquisitively, while Penny almost always rattles her tail and bolts as far into the substrate as deep she can get. I've treated them pretty identically thus far. Penny doesn't like my big scary self, and I suppose I can't blame her. I figure the best I can do is to make her captivity as stress-free as possible.

I suppose you could argue that if I "tame" her down now while she's only a yearling, then handling, cleaning, etc would be less stressful in the future for her. Some snakes never do tame down, though. And I think to myself that if people keep cobras, mambas and rattlers without ever just handling them for the sport of it, then I can certainly keep a corn snake that way.

I'm sorry for the long, ranty message, but I've been thinking a lot about this bite, and about herp-keeping in general. (So now everyone must suffer as my thoughts come spewing out here at 4 AM :p ) Everywhere you turn, it seems, there is someone talking about our right to keep herps being threatened, or someone insisting that it isn't right to keep "wild" creatures captives. Just a couple weeks ago there was a discussion on Kingsnake about whether it is wrong to anthropomorphize snakes that made me think in this way, too. There are many debates circling around the herp community to which I am a very new member with barely a year of actual keeping under my belt. I think snakes are the most wonderful creatures, and I believe that keeping them is an excellent and most important hobby for us to have, because people preserve what they love. As a novice snake keeper, I really just want to do what the snakes would have me do, if they had a say in anything. In my mind, that's the best way to do right by the animals. I guess I would love to hear other people's thoughts on this matter. My mind is always open concerning these critters, as I have relatively little experience. And I'm certainly not suggesting that if anyone has a nippy snake they should leave it alone and never handle it-- or that it's cruel to handle it-- no way! I'm just trying to do right by Penny since she doesn't like me ;) . Well if anyone took the time to read this, thanks, and sorry so crazy. It's late. . . Mom drugged the turkey. . .
 
i agree

I believe far to many people treat their snakes as if they were cats or dogs, to the point that they will argue that they "Love handling!" which is ridiculous in MHO because snakes don't "love" anything, and "tolerate" would be a better word. Wether they "climb on my hand when I open the cage!" or not. But I really don't want to start that debate! :)

I also agree about your nippy snake. I have a very very nippy Mexican Black. He will try to bite me when I walk by his tank everyday so far for two years. I hold him but it just works him up even more. So now we just enjoy looking at him! :)

bmm
 
well i to have been bitten by my baby hatchling about 4 times and the funny thing is i got her today.
 

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You bit her today for once?


*lol* Just joking man. :) Nice amel! Really bright.

bmm
 
ah.. I didn't realize it was wild caught... that would explain it better...

Myself, I would slowly keep trying, in the hope of the snakes life being less stressful in the future. I completely understand your idea that she will never calm down.. and that you don't want to impart further stress trying to get her to calm down...
 
NEVER

I know i should'nt say this, but i have never been tagged and its only my young amel that takes a striking position when my hands are in her/his quarters.


You know i 've just tempted providence a will get tagged next time i feed the amel.lol.



STEVE..............happy herping
 
Ya'll are funny. Go in low and s l o w to pick up your nippy corn. I often find that if I let my hand approach very slowly and allow the snake to tongue flick at it for a few moments, then when he's cool with that, use a finger to hook under the middle of the body and gently lift, then I can progress to a loose grasp. If he coils back his head or goes stiff and jerky or rattles the tail, I know a strike is probably imminent. Stop moving. Be substrate. Fast movements will get you bitten. It is shocking maybe, but should won't hurt unless he hits a nerve. Then it is only a small prick. Be prepared. Don't jerk back.

I find that if I go in and directly grasp the snake from above it is almost a sure bite. Snakes are more tolerant in general from *things* like hands approaching from ground level, and from the side more than the front or back. I've also found that keeping your hand as small as possible, ie a fist or tight flat palm worries them less than having a open hand with multiple fingers shown for the initial "sniffing".

Wear some light gloves if it helps you be more sure, or use a snake hook to move a nippy snake. Being un-afraid one way or another is key, cause if you jerk you can injure your snake.

When I was 10 or 11, I was feeding a nine foot python. He missed the chick and got my hand in a feeding bite. Came out of the enclosure, wrapped around my arm and shoulder and torso, constricting my arm. Had my entire hand in his mouth in about 2 seconds. Scared the ever living crap out of me. Bled profusely and was quite painful. Teeth about the size of pushpins or tacks. Lots of them. THAT hurt.

Low and slow that is the tempo.
 
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