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Boas/Pythons are to cornsnakes as pit bulls are to Golden Retrievers/labs

Well, there is a reason my retic is named Felony

1.)The UNFAIR legislation up against large constrictors
2.)The UNFAIR reputation reticulated pythons get by those who have never worked with captive bred animals, or have only worked one or two aggressive ones, or have heard stories
3.)Being as beautiful as she is should be a FELONY. ;)

I get a LOT of flack for having an animal of this size potential. In fact, even though I know what I can and can't handle people still feel the need to "remind" me of the dangers that come with owning a giant constrictor. These are the same people who have never owned one or worked with one outside of a zoo. What do they know?
 
Basically, it is my responsibility to have done the research and what I bring into my own home and care for using my own time and money is no one's business but mine... unless I were to let that animal become a problem.

Same goes for any large animal. You dig?
 
What I have to say would get me banned.
But I will say this, it's much easier to make ignorant assumptions than it is to learn about something or educate yourself.

I am getting so tired of new members getting on here just posted random crap to start big discussions.

You and the Boas/Pythons
The Guy arguing with CaptBogart about hybrids
And the kid that showed up and posted a link to some bum getting killed.

It's all bull **** and needs to stop. If you want people to talk to you, then come up with something WORTH talking about. Something that will further your and this communities education, something that we can all gain something from.
 
Interesting analogy the OP is making. I can see where the idea would actually come from. Animals such as boas, pythons and pits have a bad rep, in most aspects. Most of which is totally due to an over zealous and rating hungry news media. Then there's the cornsnakes, labs and retrievers which are considered the more "family" type pet.

Now, I'm not real sure where this puts me. I own 10 boas, 4 BP and around 150 corns and kings. I also own a lab and an english mastiff. But my neighbor owns 3 pit bulls that I completely adore. Those pits are around my kids every day and are never aggressive towards them or strangers. Total sweethearts. But let a stranger come to my door or yard and my lab will greet them with a full fledged bite. So I guess that blows the sweet lab theory out of the water huh? LOL
 
Lavman breeder said:
I worked at a petstore for many years and noticed that many people that purchased pythons/boas were more of the "white trash" for lack of better words group. The same went for pit bull owners. Most of the corn snake owners were clean cut and had a different look to them.
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I think it puts you somewhere between "white trash" and "clean cut" Becky :rolleyes:
 
PJ@PJCReptiles said:
Josh, keep in mind that not ALL pythons and boas are BIG. Kenyan Sand Boas are compariablly tiny! A spotted python is smaller than a ball python. I find it easier to care for the pythons and boas than the other snakes.

What are your thoughts Josh...from what you have seen??

How about Nanic? Or Betsy?
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I am looking at dwarf BCI as a future species. They are thick bodied but not humongous. KSBs are little. BPs are pythons biologically but pretty smallish thick bodied snakes. Squishies are technically a boid but also not big. HoosierHerper posted pictures of a beautiful orange-and-white squishie girl, BTW.

I have met PJ & Jay. They definitely AREN'T "white trash". Becky isn't. Robbie isn't. I don't know anyone here who is. But there are lots of boa & python owners here. I'm one of them, I adopted a BP. OK, it's a SMALL python, but it's still a python.

AND if I find myself in a situation where I can offer a forever home to a BIG snake, I'd consider it. Every albino retic I have ever met (now 4-5) has been as sweet as sweet can be. I'd need not to live alone, and I'd need a "master bathroom" with plenty of floor space that could be given over to providing adequate square footage for a mentally & physically healthy big snake.

I've seen what the OP is getting at in bad YouTube footage but never in real life.

Edit: Now I need a long neck!
 
Hoosier Herper, I'm sick of people like you that gotta make a negative post on everything you disagree with. If you don't like the post, then don't visit the post, its as simple as that. The funny thing is that I agree completely with everything most of you have said. You have obviously not understood my question as it was meant to be understood. Sometimes, we should practice what we preach by not judging someone by appearance....or a couple of phrases they write which are interpreted every which way.
 
ugh, this doesn't make any kind of sense. It's not animosity you're collecting here, it's sympathy. You really don't know what your talking about, at all. With dogs, fair enough, but this is a snake board! You should know a bit about them!

Look up rosy boas, sand boas, the candoia genus, rubber boas, spotted pythons,and childrens pythons. They are all smaller than corns, and most are calmer too. Jeez. Lurk more before posting.

And ya, don't even get me started on pit bulls. I dog walked for the SPCA for over 4 year, I have seen and loved more pit bulls than most people. The love of life they have, the willingness to please and dopey enthusiasm has them at the top of my list of "most lovable breed"

Anyway, I have 2 boas and a python. Considering Thani is full grown and half the weight of my amel corn, and my candoia hasn't topped 300 grams full grown...ya real bad ass here. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm just going to go back to my embroidery projects.
 
Who said I didn't know anything about snakes? I don't know where your coming up with all this but I don't know you, and you definitely don't know me Vvarious.
 
to say pythons/boas are to corns as pits are to labs? I don't know you, but I know a dumb comment when I see one. My python and candoia are like, freaking pugs and poms compared to my corn snake.

itty bitty, non threatening, lazy, and half (or less than) the size.

So ya.
 
Lavman breeder said:
Who said I didn't know anything about snakes?
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You did with your comment about pythons and Boas....
The comment you made lumped all pythons and Boas into the large group...
Where all of us that know a bit about snakes realize that out of all the species of Pythons and Boas, very few grow to any size at all...
Obviously you like to generalize and group things into neat little pigeon holes..
Pit bulls being another of your generalizations.....
signed
White trash ;)
 
I HATE pit bulls. If one has a bad moment, someone, or a dog, gets mauled. If pretty much any other dog has a bad moment, someone, or a dog, gets a bite, but not mauling. Nothing will change my mind about that.

But enough of my bad memories. I think it depends a bit more on the specific species. Some are just nasty, and some aren't. Individuals are different as well. My okeetee can be real nasty if you accidentally hurt him or scare him, but most of the time he's so calm and curious that I can rub his lower jaw and chin. On the other hand, a pair of very young corns were absolutely nasty; they tail rattled, hissed, striked, bit, and musked.

Same thing with my experience with king snakes. Two Florida king snakes were very nice with me, calm, curious, and healthy looking. On the other hand, a black king snake musked and shook its whole body around when disturbed, and an albino Cali king bit me twice and CHEWED on me while musking me.

All ball pythons I've held have been pretty, eh, boring. They'd lock up as soon as you picked them up and wouldn't do anything else, though one was rather nervous while shedding. Two or three BPs I've held have been cautious, yet they moved around curiously.

I've held a number of young RTBs, and they've been calm and curious with me, even one that was about 1.5 years old. Heavier than any snake I've held, but would have made a lovely companion if it would've stayed small.

Milk snakes, except for one that was at least a year old, I've mostly held very nervous ones, most of which, while all from the different pet stores around here, seemed skinny.

I've also held an adult (not yearling like other big snakes, adult) albino gopher snake, which was a little jumpy, but quite okay with handling. Two younger bull/gopher snakes (PetCo is a good store, but they're apparently too lazy to realize those are totally different snakes) I've held have been very calm and curious, but slowly explored with a relaxed attitude.

I've dealt with a luetistic rat snake, but that's the only rat snake, besides corns, I have any experience with. The first time, it was insanely calm, and the time after that it was super jumpy. :\

All in all, I think it really just matters.
 
ShenziSixaxis said:
I HATE pit bulls. If one has a bad moment, someone, or a dog, gets mauled. If pretty much any other dog has a bad moment, someone, or a dog, gets a bite, but not mauling. Nothing will change my mind about that.
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I'm sorry I cannot change your mind, but I think your statements on these dogs mauling are grossly out of proportion. It is true these dogs are bred to fight other animals but most of them do just fine. I've worked around hundreds of pit bulls and have seen a few have "moments". I owned one with an undesirable temperament that would go after anything. She had gotten a hold of two of my cats, and then later, me.

I was not mauled. My finger was broken and I still have it, but I was not mauled! That dog was put to sleep as we had pulled her off a homeless guy and were evaluating her temperament and she was deemed unadoptable.

With a statement like this, I'm afraid you are going to have upset a lot of people that work with these dogs on a daily basis or have had a lot of hands-on experience with them in the past.

If you believe the media hype on them, consider this: Do you believe the media hype that there are hundreds of thousands of large pythons invading the everglades?

For every pit bull in the news that hurts some one, there are literally thousands more that do nothing more than steal your spot on the couch.

...and this is coming from someone who has handled hundreds of pit bulls for strangers and rescue groups, someone that has been bitten without loss of digits.

It all comes down to how responsible a person is with an animal. Any animal. If that had been a golden retriever that had sent me to the ER because it bit me, do you really think that animal is still adoptable because it is a golden retriever (or some other "friendly" breed)?
 
sallydog77 said:
I'm sorry I cannot change your mind, but I think your statements on these dogs mauling are grossly out of proportion. It is true these dogs are bred to fight other animals but most of them do just fine. I've worked around hundreds of pit bulls and have seen a few have "moments". I owned one with an undesirable temperament that would go after anything. She had gotten a hold of two of my cats, and then later, me.

I was not mauled. My finger was broken and I still have it, but I was not mauled! That dog was put to sleep as we had pulled her off a homeless guy and were evaluating her temperament and she was deemed unadoptable.

With a statement like this, I'm afraid you are going to have upset a lot of people that work with these dogs on a daily basis or have had a lot of hands-on experience with them in the past.

If you believe the media hype on them, consider this: Do you believe the media hype that there are hundreds of thousands of large pythons invading the everglades?

For every pit bull in the news that hurts some one, there are literally thousands more that do nothing more than steal your spot on the couch.

...and this is coming from someone who has handled hundreds of pit bulls for strangers and rescue groups, someone that has been bitten without loss of digits.

It all comes down to how responsible a person is with an animal. Any animal. If that had been a golden retriever that had sent me to the ER because it bit me, do you really think that animal is still adoptable because it is a golden retriever (or some other "friendly" breed)?
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I should also add that dogs are not snakes. Dogs should not bite people, unless are literally defending the owner's life. You should pretty much expect a snake to bite you and handle it accordingly. I have a few that will bite at will. Ironically the worst one is a corn snake and the 2 most docile are my biggest boa and my reticulated python!
 
I agree that with any animal, the handler and the traits bred into the animal matter, but pit bulls, along with Dobermans and another breed or two, have a higher rate of bite victims that go to the ER, including victims that later die.

My dad was bitten by a dog a few years ago, a Doberman mix if I remember correctly, and he had some deep puncture wounds, but no broken fingers. So really, telling me that, and that the dog would go after pretty much anything that moved, doesn't make me feel any better. But nothing will; I know a lot of people, or at least used to, but they were my friends and class mates so many years ago, that had been charged or bitten by a pit bull. Plus, my grandfather almost lost his little poodle when a pit bull attacked it, on my grandfather's property, for no reason.

The way I've thought it out, I live in an area with a lot of Mexicans, whom I believe at least 60% of are illegal and housing lots of family members, so if they get a dog, like a pit (lots around here), they don't have money to get it fixed, which causes all those lovely hormones.
There's also buying puppies from people who have bred the parents to be aggressive and be fighting dogs.

sallydog77 said:
I should also add that dogs are not snakes. Dogs should not bite people, unless are literally defending the owner's life. You should pretty much expect a snake to bite you and handle it accordingly. I have a few that will bite at will. Ironically the worst one is a corn snake and the 2 most docile are my biggest boa and my reticulated python!
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Exactly. Dogs are large animals that SHOULD be with owners who have trained them to not bite. Barking and making noise is fine, our three little dogs always do, and only the tiny female nips, but never for no reason; only when someone is always, say, reaching over to give one of us a magazine or something, and she gets startled by the action. And, while I'm not saying this because of her size, she never BITES, she nips. Front teeth only, and she doesn't hang on whatsoever.
 
Oh, yes, another thing that I think matters when comparing snakes and dogs. Dogs are considered a domesticated breed, fit for life with humans. Corns and other snakes make good pets, but unlike dogs/house cats/ferrets, they're not domesticated.
 
ShenziSixaxis said:
I agree that with any animal, the handler and the traits bred into the animal matter, but pit bulls, along with Dobermans and another breed or two, have a higher rate of bite victims that go to the ER, including victims that later die.

My dad was bitten by a dog a few years ago, a Doberman mix if I remember correctly, and he had some deep puncture wounds, but no broken fingers. So really, telling me that, and that the dog would go after pretty much anything that moved, doesn't make me feel any better. But nothing will; I know a lot of people, or at least used to, but they were my friends and class mates so many years ago, that had been charged or bitten by a pit bull. Plus, my grandfather almost lost his little poodle when a pit bull attacked it, on my grandfather's property, for no reason.

The way I've thought it out, I live in an area with a lot of Mexicans, whom I believe at least 60% of are illegal and housing lots of family members, so if they get a dog, like a pit (lots around here), they don't have money to get it fixed, which causes all those lovely hormones.
There's also buying puppies from people who have bred the parents to be aggressive and be fighting dogs.



Exactly. Dogs are large animals that SHOULD be with owners who have trained them to not bite. Barking and making noise is fine, our three little dogs always do, and only the tiny female nips, but never for no reason; only when someone is always, say, reaching over to give one of us a magazine or something, and she gets startled by the action. And, while I'm not saying this because of her size, she never BITES, she nips. Front teeth only, and she doesn't hang on whatsoever.
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I don't even know where to even START on this post! There are so many generalizations in it that I can't even wrap my mind around it.

Basically this whole thread boils down to overgeneralization, which is the problem.

I'm sorry your Dad got bit by a dog, but it doesn't matter what breed bit him. They are not all like that, especially dobermans.

Every decade or so a new dog breed becomes media fodder, and this time it's pit bulls. Before that it was rottweilers, St. Bernards, German shepherds, even blood hounds at one point!

All I'm going to say is that if you've never worked with a certain type of animal (and many of them) for a long period of time, you have no right to generalize over a few unfortunate, and isolated incidents.

This whole discussion is a downward spiral and I don't forsee it getting any better. If you want unbiased info on certain dog breeds, PM me.
 
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