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Breeding my female

manny_chan

manny_chan

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How old does a female need to be before its safe to breed her. I've had her for a year now, so she's about a year and a few months, and I am seriously thinking about getting into breeding. I think I have the cornsnake fever...one just isn't enough and having wee babies would be the best thing ever. Of course research needs to be done (and a male bought) so, any information, location of information, manual anything that might help would be great. I dont want to rush into anything. But yeah, how old doe she need to be?
 
3 years-300 grams-3 feet is the standeres, so it looks like you have a while before your gonna strt. have a fun time waiting!
 
What about for males?

cornsnakekid92 said:
3 years-300 grams-3 feet is the standeres, so it looks like you have a while before your gonna strt. have a fun time waiting!
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Aren't the standards different for males in that they can be smaller or younger?
 
yea, pretty much you can try with a yearling male or older. people have success fullybreed with yearling males. it can be younger for males be cus it does not make as much stress for them as for females b/c they don't have to lay eggs. if you breed a female too young it can stunt there growth!
 
Ah...oh well. Waiting isn't that bad I suppose. But is it really the size that matters or the actually age. Snake might grow at different rates, what should we be more worried about, size or age?
 
Weight is the number one concern for females. 300 grams is the absolute minimum for a breeding female. Breeding females too young can cause egg binding, which can result in the death of the female.
 
yea but if u fatted up a 1 year old female to 300 grams it isent ready to breed either, it is a mixture of both but weight more then age
 
I thought 200+ was the general rule of thumb for breeding? correct me if i am wrong.
 
cornsnakekid92 said:
yea but if u fatted up a 1 year old female to 300 grams it isent ready to breed either, it is a mixture of both but weight more then age
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that would be called power feeding, and cause the snake to more than likely die shortly after
 
i kno that it is not realistic fot a yearling to weight 300 grams with out power feeding, i was just giving it as a example to show the weight is #1 but it is not the only factor.
 
Even with powerfeeding...I find a 300 gram yearling highly unlikely...
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Yeah I agree Kitten. I have a VERY healthy '04 Hypo, great appetite and he's just over 100 grams.....
 
cornsnakekid92 said:
i kno that it is not realistic fot a yearling to weight 300 grams with out power feeding, i was just giving it as a example to show the weight is #1 but it is not the only factor.
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JenC said:
that would be called power feeding, and cause the snake to more than likely die shortly after
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I'd like to see some evidence to support these claims. They seem at odds with what Kathy Love states in her manual. She does not advocate power-feeding, and neither do I, but she does state that "Adulthood is positively a factor of size, not age in Elaphe Guttata." And I've never heard of a power-fed snake dying shortly after achieving adult size. As with most animals, obesity in corns is likely to limit ultimate lifespan, but does it cause sudden death after the animal reaches 300 grams- even within a year's time? I doubt it.

In the manual, Kathy actually discourages breeding females under 340 grams. So who decided that 300 grams was ok for the "rule" I see tossed around on these forums? I would venture to guess that the "300g, 30 inch, 3-year" (or whatever) rule is just a general guideline based on what has worked for some keepers.

That being said, is power-feeding a good idea? No. Is it a good idea to breed under-sized females? No. I'm just skeptical about some of the ideas I see posted as if they were "canon", especially by inexperienced keepers.

(Note: no offense intended to anyone!)
 
Roy Munson said:
I would venture to guess that the "300g, 30 inch, 3-year" (or whatever) rule is just a general guideline based on what has worked for some keepers.
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Which is why I stated 300 grams is the absolute minimum in weight for breeding a female. The guidelines that are recommended are guides that MOST keepers follow. Their are a few that will wait until the female is 3-4 years old, regardless of weight.

I have a beast of a Vanishing Stripe Amel male that is well over 500 grams. He is in tip-top shape and not obese in the least; just a very big boy. I believe he's a 2000 hatch.

I'm just skeptical about some of the ideas I see posted as if they were "canon", especially by inexperienced keepers.
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I do agree with you. I have seen a lot lately, inexperienced keepers spouting information, and they truely are not understanding fully the answers they are providing.
 
blckkat said:
Which is why I stated 300 grams is the absolute minimum in weight for breeding a female. The guidelines that are recommended are guides that MOST keepers follow.
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I should have written "most" instead of "some". My bad. I agree with you, (and the "rule", for that matter).
 
With all due respect, I have also seen experienced keepers make mistakes with the advice they give.

Everyone makes mistakes and most of us appreciate being told when we've messed up. :)
 
Mary-Beth is KoRny said:
With all due respect, I have also seen experienced keepers make mistakes with the advice they give.

Everyone makes mistakes and most of us appreciate being told when we've messed up. :)
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Sure, and I'm certain that experienced keepers are even happier about being corrected. But if five successful hatchling feedings comprise a keeper's entire first-hand experience in feeding, they need to really get their facts straight before advising other novices. Their enthusiasm is admirable, but it should be tempered with a little experience.
 
Roy Munson said:
Sure, and I'm certain that experienced keepers are even happier about being corrected. But if five successful hatchling feedings comprise a keeper's entire first-hand experience in feeding, they need to really get their facts straight before advising other novices. Their enthusiasm is admirable, but it should be tempered with a little experience.
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Does reading threads on this forum count for nothing then?
Most of the stuff I know is from reading the Corn Snake manual and reading the forum. Are you saying that someone who has only had 5 successful feedings, but studies religiously all the information they can get their hands on, should not try to help someone else because they have never actually had the problem themselves?
 
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