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Can Corns Breed Anytime?

Corny73

Corny73

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My corns will be of age to breed roughly around the middle of this year, can they breed anytime? I really dont want to brumate considering id like to keep the clutch down for my first time breeding. If I start introducing the male to the female say in july or august could they possibly mate rather than in winter/spring?
 
As I understand it alot of the breeders here don't brumate their corns, so it is possible. It's all up to them though. If they're "ready" they'll be happy to oblige you I'm sure!
 
When you say "will be of age," what do you mean? Two years? Please remember that size, not age has to do with whether or not a cornsnake is "breedable". And a small female will be more likely to have problems. I personally brumate my animals, and if in doubt, wait an extra year on females that are borderline. Just my two cents.
 
size

well my female is about 36 inches and my male is around 32 so i thought it would be ok to start breeding.
 
elrojo said:
When you say "will be of age," what do you mean? Two years? Please remember that size, not age has to do with whether or not a cornsnake is "breedable". And a small female will be more likely to have problems. I personally brumate my animals, and if in doubt, wait an extra year on females that are borderline. Just my two cents.
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Chip, I think you've got to be careful there.

There are some freakish '04 babies out there that are already around two feet, and they're not even a year old yet. You might have these people thinking that their 18 month old 34" female is ready to breed, when I say its not.
 
i think in some cases from what i have heard, it should be ok to breed an 18 month old snake...all of this depends on size.

36 inches for female
300 grams and/or 18 months old
 
TBurkeIII said:
i think in some cases from what i have heard, it should be ok to breed an 18 month old snake...all of this depends on size.

36 inches for female
300 grams and/or 18 months old
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I dont agree at all. Most breeders want their snakes to take their time, and dont breed before 3 years of age. You can clearly breed at 2 years---but why rush it. There's some thought out there that breeding before 3 years of age reduces the life span of the snake.
 
snakes breed acording to size so if he power feeds its (power feeding is not good) iit can be ready to reproduce a year erlier, but just feed it natral and dont real rush into breeding.
 
hediki said:
snakes breed acording to size so if he power feeds its (power feeding is not good) iit can be ready to reproduce a year erlier, but just feed it natral and dont real rush into breeding.
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Well of course if you power-feed your snake it'll be ready to breed well before you SHOULD be breeding it. I've got a pair of 03's that are about 25" and thick---and they've always been fed once a week. They should be ready to go next year, but more than likely I'll be waiting an extra year with them, but who knows.

The point was that you can power-feed your snake to 30"+ in 18 months, and then you've got a snake that isn't that healthy and stands a good chance in either dying from the stress of breeding, become egg-bound, or a variety of other problems.

Wait till the 3rd year mark.
 
Joejr14 said:
Well of course if you power-feed your snake it'll be ready to breed well before you SHOULD be breeding it. I've got a pair of 03's that are about 25" and thick---and they've always been fed once a week. They should be ready to go next year, but more than likely I'll be waiting an extra year with them, but who knows.

The point was that you can power-feed your snake to 30"+ in 18 months, and then you've got a snake that isn't that healthy and stands a good chance in either dying from the stress of breeding, become egg-bound, or a variety of other problems.

Wait till the 3rd year mark.
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yea i see what you mean
 
i am not speaking from experience but i have heard of many people having successful breedings at 18 months. i am sure that this runs on a snake to snake basis. obviously if you believe that it is a risky situation you shouldn't do it. it is not necessary to push it though, some snakes tend to grow much quicker than others even if they are fed the same amount on the same basis.i also do not know how much reseach has been done with corns but some localities on others forms of snakes can be bread at a smaller size than others with no problems at all to the snake. i guess to be 100% certain 100% of the time is impossible, so if there is doubts than i guess it shouldn't be done.
 
I have been breeding snakes at 18 months for as long as I have been breeding snakes. They grow according to their food supply. Wild snakes will "Power Feed" themselves if given the opportunity. If an 18 month old female Corn is in the same room as older snakes that are breeding, I have had most of them produce eggs whether or not they are put with a male or not. I don’t know how to make them stop. Getting slugs from your 18 month old female is SICK! and not the good kind.

Waiting another year is not a bad thing, and it is true that younger female can have more problems than three year old bigger females. I would be more worried about a three year old female of questionable size due to her feeding habits than an 18 month old super feeder.

Why do I breed my females at 18 months. I did not want to wait another year to produce Ice Lavs (Lava Lavs). If you want to wait until they are 30 months old, this is considered a safer approach. Who is right and who is wrong? Breeding females is a risk at any age. I have had more problems with females getting up in age than 18 month old ones. I think it is a lack of muscle tone, but I am just guessing. We should be walking them, but how can we do that?
 
Just reading the thread for the first time since my post. Not sure how I might've been careless saying that size, more than age is the indicative factor for breeding. I suppose girth is even more important (a 30" thin female would be less likely to be sexually developed than a full bodied one), but few of us measure the width of our animals! BTW, I seldom get slugs from those I wait on, but they stay in the warm hatchling room for another year. But it is a drag when it happens.
 
I'd agree with this

Well I be, Chip Bridges! What kindsa trouble you been agittin in to? Have ya made plan to come down here and see me? I think tha Okee gonna be thick this year!
 
Third week in March, me and the missus should be on "Vacation" right your way. Try to be out of jail on the 19th, tentatively our arrival date!
 
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Something no one has mentioned, and I think has merrit, is that breeding too frquently, or too young... heck, breeding at all, will shorten the lifespan of your snakes. Now, if done properly, and with minimal stress on your animals (such as no double clutching) this difference will probably be negligable. Personally, I would choose the health of my snake over the chance to breed a year earlier... But at the same time I am just as impatient as any other breeders out there...

Anyways, just my two cents, I don't mean to knock anyone else's methods.

Take care, everyone.
 
MichaelBoyko said:
Something no one has mentioned, and I think has merrit, is that breeding too frquently, or too young... heck, breeding at all, will shorten the lifespan of your snakes. Now, if done properly, and with minimal stress on your animals (such as no double clutching) this difference will probably be negligable. Personally, I would choose the health of my snake over the chance to breed a year earlier... But at the same time I am just as impatient as any other breeders out there...

Anyways, just my two cents, I don't mean to knock anyone else's methods.

Take care, everyone.
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That was pretty much my whole point, Michael.
 
yup mine did... they started in may..they hatched in Aug 04.... my female.. was about 18 months.... she did great ... but yes y rush it.. i keep them together .. which i know i shouldnt do .... but they grew up together, and they dont like to be apart .... babies came out great .. people bought them up quick.... so if u think they ready go for it.... but make sure shes going to be ok ....
 
Okay Chigy, first thing to understand is, the snakes have no problem being apart. None. It may seem so, you might be able to convince yourself of that. But there is none, zero, social behavoir in any animals of their order let alone family, or class. Mass breedings in garters, rattlers and others hibernating in the same den, or your corns coiling up together under the same hide are nothing more than finding the same area most suitable.
And Micheal, I think everyone was pretty much on the same track (except Cooter). And there simply is no method to eliminate double clutching. No jumping on Joe folks, an 18 month female in the wild will have little say in whether she breeds or not. If she's eaten enough to be sexually mature and produce pheromones, she'll "git er done" if there is an adult male anywhere around!
 
wow i have a late 04 that is 29 inches but i will not be breeding her for at least another year. i have found with ball pythons that if you wait the extra year or two the clutch is much larger. :cheers:
 
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