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Charcoals with striping...
- Thread starter Rich Z
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Melinie
Once Bitten, Less Shy...
"Reverse Striped"...?
Okay, Rich, now you're really FREAKIN' ME OUT!!! LOL
I've been lurking around here, watching what's going on (while recovering from some health issues), and just as I think I MIGHT have some semblance of a grasp on Corn Snake genetics, ya have to go and throw me into a brick wall! :headbang:
Just yesterday I FINALLY convinced myself to buy my first Striped (an Amel female with unusual markings), not counting, that is, the lovely Striped Motley Butter '02 s I have from you, thank you, thank you!
And, thinking I had this Stripe and Motley thing all figured out (silly me), began planning her future breedings.
Today I decide to check out your Stripe pics, to see if there are any that resemble her odd markings, and the next thing I know, I'm looking at your gorgeous Charcoal babies who happen to be the exact REVERSE of all the Striped descriptions and pictures that I've seen thus far....... :eek1:
....thanks for keeping me humble....
P.S. Was there ever a final decision made on whether the Stripes and the Motleys are DIFFERENT genes? Or are the Stripes a VERSION (mutation) based on / from the Motleys? i.e. - If I breed two Striped Motleys, will the offspring be ALL Striped Motleys, or will some also be Motleys and some Stripes?
Sorry - more appropriate for Genetics section, I suppose...
Okay, Rich, now you're really FREAKIN' ME OUT!!! LOL
I've been lurking around here, watching what's going on (while recovering from some health issues), and just as I think I MIGHT have some semblance of a grasp on Corn Snake genetics, ya have to go and throw me into a brick wall! :headbang:
Just yesterday I FINALLY convinced myself to buy my first Striped (an Amel female with unusual markings), not counting, that is, the lovely Striped Motley Butter '02 s I have from you, thank you, thank you!
And, thinking I had this Stripe and Motley thing all figured out (silly me), began planning her future breedings.
Today I decide to check out your Stripe pics, to see if there are any that resemble her odd markings, and the next thing I know, I'm looking at your gorgeous Charcoal babies who happen to be the exact REVERSE of all the Striped descriptions and pictures that I've seen thus far....... :eek1:
....thanks for keeping me humble....
P.S. Was there ever a final decision made on whether the Stripes and the Motleys are DIFFERENT genes? Or are the Stripes a VERSION (mutation) based on / from the Motleys? i.e. - If I breed two Striped Motleys, will the offspring be ALL Striped Motleys, or will some also be Motleys and some Stripes?
Sorry - more appropriate for Genetics section, I suppose...
Check out my thread on Striped Motley Caramels in this section. Those were from a Caramel Motley with partial striping bred by a Striped Butter. As far as what would happen if you bred those together, beats me. Wish I had more females in that batch of babies. Next year I may wind up breeding all my Butter Motley females with Butter Striped males. I tend to like the Striped Motley look moreso than the standard blotched Motley pattern.
Of course, I guess the results I am already getting from my Striped Motley Butter Project aren't too shabby....
Of course, I guess the results I am already getting from my Striped Motley Butter Project aren't too shabby....
Melinie
Once Bitten, Less Shy...
Comparing Stripes
Okay, I think I may be seeing what some people are talking about with the width of the stripes....
Looking at your babies up there, the central stripe is the same width (approx.) as the two darker dorsal stripes on either side of it. (Motley influence?)
Looking at my new Amel Striped (Amel Stripe X Amel Stripe with little or no Motley background, that I know of), the central dorsal stripe is at least twice as wide as the two thin, darker dorsal stripes on either side of it.
I saw her parents, and they were both the same way.
Can't decide which I like better....
.....things that make ya go "hmmmmmmm......."....
Okay, I think I may be seeing what some people are talking about with the width of the stripes....
Looking at your babies up there, the central stripe is the same width (approx.) as the two darker dorsal stripes on either side of it. (Motley influence?)
Looking at my new Amel Striped (Amel Stripe X Amel Stripe with little or no Motley background, that I know of), the central dorsal stripe is at least twice as wide as the two thin, darker dorsal stripes on either side of it.
I saw her parents, and they were both the same way.
Can't decide which I like better....
.....things that make ya go "hmmmmmmm......."....
Here's a 2002 female I got from you, Rich, at Daytona a couple years ago along with a picture of a 2003 male that originally came from you as well. He's deep/dark in shed and the picture isn't sharp and the colors came out brown instead of the lovely charcoal grey they are, but that was the only pic I got before they were gone. :sidestep: I'll get a couple more pics when he has shed.
Can't wait for the clutch from these two (hopefully next spring, Murphy willing). Did you end up keeping some blizzards from that 2002 clutch? Any yellow saddle outlining show up to set off that striped effect? Just curious.
Can't wait for the clutch from these two (hopefully next spring, Murphy willing). Did you end up keeping some blizzards from that 2002 clutch? Any yellow saddle outlining show up to set off that striped effect? Just curious.
Godzilla2000
Queen of Monsters
Those are just too cute!
Godzilla2000
Queen of Monsters
SilverTongue said:Rich adopt me PLEASE!
You and me too.
Gallagher
DNASnakes
Those are awsome snakes Rich. The zig zag wide stripes we produce come from your blizzards and charcoals and as far as I know not you aztec line. I bred a normal male corn het for nothing about 9 yrs ago to a blizzard from you and kept one of the normal females. I then bred a charcoal with the full zig zag pattern from you to that normal looking female. Every year I get a few snakes with varying degrees of this wide stripe or zig zag pattern. This pair produces aner A, aner B, blizzards, normals, amels and an occasional snow. I think I have only seen about 3 snows pop up in the 6 yrs I have been breeding them and I get two clutches from her ever yr.
O4 is the firt year I got a snow with some of this striping. I also got 3 amels and one charcoal with most of the body striped. Rich, you mentioned getting a blizzard with the yellow stripe. I got one of those about 3 yrs ago and it's one of those wish I would have kept it snakes.
Here is a pic of the best amel from 04. And her charcoal wide stripe or zig zag father that came from you. I wish they kept that solid stripe look as adults but it splits up. I will be breeding full stripes togather in the comming seasons to see if it increases how many full stripe/zig zags I get.
Don Gallagher
O4 is the firt year I got a snow with some of this striping. I also got 3 amels and one charcoal with most of the body striped. Rich, you mentioned getting a blizzard with the yellow stripe. I got one of those about 3 yrs ago and it's one of those wish I would have kept it snakes.
Here is a pic of the best amel from 04. And her charcoal wide stripe or zig zag father that came from you. I wish they kept that solid stripe look as adults but it splits up. I will be breeding full stripes togather in the comming seasons to see if it increases how many full stripe/zig zags I get.
Don Gallagher