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?? chocolate cornsnake ??

I haven't seen any, but then again I didn't come running out saying that without a doubt it's a hybrid.

May it be? Sure.

Could it also be pure corn? Yup.

I just don't think anyone is an expert when it comes to telling the difference when we're talking about essentially intergrades.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just don't see how anyone is so positive in saying so from a picture, especially a poor one.
 
Guys... please... I didn't mean to start an arguement... I just wanted peoples opinions of what they thought...

I do appreciate all of your input... BELIEVE ME!!!

at this point my thoughts are leaning towards him being an intergrade, im thinking that maybe the orional people that had him just got mixed up... maybe they meant rootbeer instead of chocolate.... maybe they were like me and just associated the wrong name with the wrong snake...

I haven't heard back from the folks i got him from yet so that very well could be the case.

at this moment my plan are to: this coming year breed him to :

1) the Emoryi Female AND
2) the Anery female

3) I also have a (im pretty sure -- WC) normal female that I was planning on breeding to my normal motley but I guess I could try him with her also?!?!

If I were to do these breedings what should I expect from each if he is :
A) Normal (dark)
B) Anery (Dark)
C) Intergrade

THANKS GUYS!
 
That snake is definitely not an anery, so don't waste your anery female by breeding her to him.

It's either a dark normal, or an hybrid/intergrade. Either way, you're never going to know my breeding trials.

Might as well pair up the motley and the anery.
 
Its not really an argument, blow up the picture and you can tell its not pure, but hey don't take my more experienced opinion. Chocolate was another term that some people used for emoryi mixes a few years back, they got it from the dark chocolate color around the blotches. It was only used by a few breeders and has pretty much not used for the last year or so.
 
the yellow is not something that is just specific to emoryis. As a matter of fact, that is something you see more in corns than in emoryi. just my .02
 
I agree it does look like a dark normal, but does no one suspect any caramel influence? Just a thought...
 
DdotSpot said:
I agree it does look like a dark normal, but does no one suspect any caramel influence? Just a thought...
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I did as well at first, but after looking closer, the burgundy saddles along with the background color just don't say carmel. In a carmel, I would expectonly a subtle change between the ground color and the yellowing on the chin and neck. There is a very significant difference between ground color and his yellowing.
 
I think maybe the quality of these photos must have been a bit off, my camera is crap...

AND in no way do I mean any disrespect by this but no where on this snake do I see Burgandy -- he is brown... brown and gray w/ faded yellow on the neck and a gray head... he does have white speckles all over him though.... (a scale here and one there...peppered all over him but not in the blotches only on the base color-- something I have never seen before?!?!?!)

Jynx said:
I did as well at first, but after looking closer, the burgundy saddles along with the background color just don't say carmel. In a carmel, I would expect only a subtle change between the ground color and the yellowing on the chin and neck. There is a very significant difference between ground color and his yellowing.
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here is the head shot again, the quality of these photos is very poor, maybe I should try to take new ones...
 

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The one in the picture sure looks like a normal to me, but I aren't anywhere near an expert.
Here's a pic I found the other day of a 'chocolate', it looks way different to your pics, it's saddles are really chocolaty and as far as I can see theres no yellow pigment on the back of head/neck.
 
I took that photo and ran it through auto-fix and it brightens it up just a tad. Those saddles look dark red. Nothing from any of the pictures you've shown makes the snake look all grey or brown. Those side saddles to me look dark red, and that's on two seperate computers. Clearly you have the snake in front of you, so you're the one with the best judgement, but I still do not see 'brown' saddles, I see dark red.

Might take a picture with something there for a color reference. Say, a dollar bill?
 
MastersHaven said:
actually... He resembles my emoryi female a good deal... and I KNOW she is pure Emoryi... I have a Black Rat and Albino Black Rats. I honestly dont think he is a black rat intergrade...



here are photo's of my Emoryi Female, one of him (again) and a belly pic of him....

I would greatly appreciate photos of yours if you get the chance...
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I honestly dont think this snake is a emoryicorn. I see no resemblance in your corn and emoryi. If it is an emoryicorn it looks a lot different from once I've hatch out and seen.

LukeH

LukeH
 
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