Considering my first "hot."

[Carinata]

correct sorry I have not been responding I don't want a repeate of my last argument. The venom has unknow power as of now I suspect the power of boiga or less

 

[Candy_Cane1]

I want a Mohr cobra... so badly...

Mohr cobras make feel all cute and cuddly inside. Seriously; thats what a girls best friend is! Too bad im accident prone.

 

[Weebonilass]

If I was going to get a hot, I'd want a big fatty slug of a Gaboon viper. I would name her Jabba.

LOL They are gorgeous... Although I think I would come up with a more exotic name for "her"

After being "struck" every time I walked by a cage of a cobra back stage at the St Louis Zoo, I'm not sure I would want to live with one... although the zoo keepers there seem to be immune to the sounds of "her" hitting the cage wall every time they walked by

 

[The Snake Guru]

After being "struck" every time I walked by a cage of a cobra back stage at the St Louis Zoo, I'm not sure I would want to live with one

It's true, they aren't for everyone, but the little charges they do is something you just get used too...LOL, after awhile you come to see it as something "sweet and enduring" they do...you'll have that with members from the genus Naja, most of the coral cobras and shield noses are more laid back and secretive.

~B~

 

[The Snake Guru]

They are Crotaphopeltis hotamboeia, I believe.

Thank you much Hallie!

Interesting stuff, though it looks like my Hydrodynastes gigas pack more of punch then these little rippers...LOL
Rear-fanged "warm" perhaps....don't know if I'd go so far as saying the "hot" still with any rearfanged species best to be cautious.

~B~

 

[Weebonilass]

It's true, they aren't for everyone, but the little charges they do is something you just get used too...LOL, after awhile you come to see it as something "sweet and enduring" they do...you'll have that with members from the genus Naja, most of the coral cobras and shield noses are more laid back and secretive.

~B~

LOL I kind of gather a person got use to those strikes as I was the only one jumping I just can't imagine it being "sweet & endearing" when that King gal gets full grown... I like the laid back Gaboons much better

 

[The Snake Guru]

LOL I kind of gather a person got use to those strikes as I was the only one jumping I just can't imagine it being "sweet & endearing" when that King gal gets full grown... I like the laid back Gaboons much better

Well to offer a differnt perspective.....at least you know where the cobras are coming from, they make no attempt to hide thier atttitude...one of my buddies does a lot with Gaboons and says they are way more dangerous just because of what you already pointed out. They typically don't move too much, luring the keeper into a false sense of security....they think they can get closer than they should and that is when it happens *Bam* a lightning strike out of nowhere and it's already to late. LOL

You're right though, they are more "relaxed" in appearance, but that goes hand in hand with type of predator they are, an ambush predator....they lie in wait for prey to come by.....cobras in contrast are quick manuverable hunters....thus the differences in actions.

Really though it's all about what people are comfartable with.

~B~

 

[Carinata]

They have about the same venom of that of boiga or hydronastes but they only get 3 foot LOL

 

[Hallie]

Thank you much Hallie!

Interesting stuff, though it looks like my Hydrodynastes gigas pack more of punch then these little rippers...LOL
Rear-fanged "warm" perhaps....don't know if I'd go so far as saying the "hot" still with any rearfanged species best to be cautious.

~B~

You are very welcome! I did a little research on them too and I came up with the same kind of info...don't really pack much heat, venom has no medical significance, etc etc. One site equated it to a hognose bite (which I know has been equated to a bee sting).

But I do agree, always good to be cautious with anything that could cause some sort of 'reaction'.

 

[Nanci]

One site equated it to a hognose bite (which I know has been equated to a bee sting).

Have you seen the hognose bite pictures? Google it. I wouldn't let one chew on me!

 

[Carinata]

here is my rear fanged

 

[The Snake Guru]

LOL....as general rule, you really shouldn't let a snake a chew on you regardless of wether it's rear-fanged, or not.

They have about the same venom of that of boiga or hydronastes but they only get 3 foot LOL

Yeah that makes a huge difference, especially in the amount of delivery....small the snake less amounts of toxin available.

~B~

 

[The Snake Guru]

P.S

That is a real pretty snake too!
Love the white speckling.....

~B~

 

[El Jefe]

There is strong edvidence to support venom plays a key role in the digestive process and there-fore this type of ill concieved and idiotic practice may actually cause shorter life-spans and/or other health issues to the snake.

~B~

the venom of hots is desighned to digest prey without venom inproper digestion occurs.

I would have to disagree with the statements above. These statements are typical in the venomoid debate for a reason against the surgery. Don't get me wrong, there are MANY reasons against venomoids but I do not believe this is one of them. It has been shown in many situations that the feeding of f/t prey items does not seem to have an effect on the long term health of an animal. Many nationally recognized zoos have been feeding f/t for decades. Of course some argue along the lines of Chip's statement

I suppose the thought is that the freezing process breaks down cell walls to aid digestion in a similar manner to a bite.

but some keepers feed prekilled UNfrozen prey and have the same results as the other feeding methods.

However, all this being said, perhaps the biggest reason this argument does not really hold water is that many of the venomous snakes eat the same prey as non-venomous snakes. Are you telling me all non-venomous snakes have evolved better digestive systems than all venomous snakes? Not quite. In most cases, the main reason for venom is to acquire prey and less so as a defensive weapon. Sure, it will break down the prey item in minor ways but the digestive system is going to do most of the work. In cornsnakes, constriction is a means to capture prey but does not aid in digestion. Both snakes with venom in or no venom are able to digest the meal.

(Now...if you want to discuss feeding f/t rodents and the lack of constriction in cornsnakes causing muscle issues, that is a different thread...but I would maintain that f/t without constriction in a cornsnake scenario is likely more detrimental than feeding f/t without venom injection in a venomoid/venomous scenario.)

 

[Maize411]

I'm sorry for going off topic a bit here but..

hognose snakes are venomous????? I never knew that...man..now I really want one..lol

 

[tom e]

I'm sorry for going off topic a bit here but..

hognose snakes are venomous????? I never knew that...man..now I really want one..lol

Here's the famous pictures. http://www.herpnet.net/bite/

 

[The Snake Guru]

I would have to disagree with the statements above. These statements are typical in the venomoid debate for a reason against the surgery. Don't get me wrong, there are MANY reasons against venomoids but I do not believe this is one of them. It has been shown in many situations that the feeding of f/t prey items does not seem to have an effect on the long term health of an animal. Many nationally recognized zoos have been feeding f/t for decades. Of course some argue along the lines of Chip's statement

The real issue is there hasn't been any studies on wether or not it will or will not effect them, so technically we could argue about all day and night and it really makes no difference. LOL

I didn't even mention anything F/T or Live, I was was saying there has been no studies on the venom in relation to digestion process in general.

~B~

 

[snakewispera snr]

I found this a while ago..... It's by Marshall D McCue About Crotalus Atrox venom.....
It makes very interesting reading...
Venom and Digestion

I have seen other studies, but this one sums it up.....

 

[El Jefe]

The real issue is there hasn't been any studies on wether or not it will or will not effect them, so technically we could argue about all day and night and it really makes no difference. LOL

I didn't even mention anything F/T or Live, I was was saying there has been no studies on the venom in relation to digestion process in general.

~B~

Yeah...we could argue more...but I was just responding to your quote where you said:

Originally Posted by The Snake Guru There is strong edvidence to support venom plays a key role in the digestive process

So...you admit to no conclusive studies yet you speak as if there is evidence for such a conclusion.

My statement merely suggests that although venom could play a nominal role in digestion, non-venomous snakes have no problem digesting same prey items. As such, it is hard to accept venomous snakes would have difficulty in digestion because they NEED the venom component. I highly doubt venomous snakes have weaker digestive systems than non-venomous snakes but perhaps more studies are necessary.

 

[snakewispera snr]

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So...you admit to no conclusive studies yet you speak as if there is evidence for such a conclusion.

My statement merely suggests that although venom could play a nominal role in digestion, non-venomous snakes have no problem digesting same prey items. As such, it is hard to accept venomous snakes would have difficulty in digestion because they NEED the venom component. I highly doubt venomous snakes have weaker digestive systems than non-venomous snakes but perhaps more studies are necessary.

Did you click the link above?