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Corn keeps nailing me

Hi
My corn is now about 9 months old. He has always been a problem handling. I too have been aprehensive about handling him. I handle him once or twice a week for a very short period (mainly cause he struggles and dont like being handled). I thought i was beggining to get somewhere with him.

Any way last night I went in to handle him and he went for me. Not once but three times. and when I say went for me I mean went for me (like a mini cobra) :( Any way I backed of and closed the viv glass door. He was then trying to strike me through the glass, all coiled up and head raise like a right nutter.

Any way I find im hugely dissapointed.. Plus it aint doing much for my aprehension. I dont want a snake in a cage, i want to handle him and ive been patient and used techniques mentioned on here..

Any ideas where I go from here.. Thought leave it a couple of days then start wearing glooves ?? maybe body armour as well

Ta
 
One idea is to try wearing a glove to pick the snake up. Once the snake settles down you can remove the glove and get him used to being handled. Eventually he should get used to handling. It will help if you go in confident and avoid having a flinch reflex and try to scoop him up from the side and not grab him from above.

Hope he settles down for you.

-Tony
 
Do you wash your hands before picking him up? Another snake's scent, especially a different species, or something else may bother him. Also, don't get mouse scent on you, then handle him, because he will be in predator mode. One of my little girls is not used to me yet, and she will get all cobra on me. (She has struck the cage, but not me.) You need to handle him more often, but not a day or two after feeding, and Relax. I swear they can sense nervousness, and it makes them more nervous. He should come around eventually, then be sweet as pie.
 
yeah they definitely can sense when you're nervous. i've noticed that in trying to work with Aidan...my biter.
when i'm nervous around him, he'll go into strike mode. but if i'm confident and relaxed, then he will usually relax and he wont try and bite.
getting bit really messes with your confidence though. but dont give up.
everytime you handle him, make sure it ends on a positive note. dont put him back because he bites you or poops on you. if he does that, then continue to hold him until he calms down. then put him back into the viv. if you put him back because he's biting you, then he'll learn that he can bite you to get you to not handle him.
 
I have read many times that wearing latex gloves can have a positive effect. They do not like the taste of them one bit appariently. I'm not sure if they like the smell either.
 
My corn was very flighty and nervous when we first got him, and I was too nervous to try and get him out so my boyfriend would put on washing up gloves to get him out of the viv!
I've always found that if you don't hesitate, if you just go straight in there and grab him firmly and swiftly, not...lunging for him, but just put your hand in, don't hesitate and pick him up, he should get better slowly.
And perhaps try handling him more often than you do to let him get more used to you. I handled my corn every day when we first got him and now he's as good as gold. :shrugs:
 
CarloS01 said:
Hi
My corn is now about 9 months old.

Nine months old? Show him who's boss! Let him strike all he wants. It can't hurt. By recoiling from his strike he has learned he can control you.

Leave him alone for a week then pick him up without showing any fear. Just reach in and grab him. Don't hesitate now, just reach in and grab him.

Let him strike all he wants. Just let him bite you. It's nothing more than a tap. It wont hurt. It wont break the skin.

He should soon figure out that it doesn't do anything. When I bought my Okeetee, he was a yearling. Not only did he strike like mad, he even rattled his tail like a Diamondback Rattlesnake.

Remember, "No Fear",

Eric
 
um yes mine rattles his tail as well.
Think ure right its the only course of action..

Im afraid ill have to wear nitrile gloves though cause im a bit of a chicken now
 
Here is my FAQ on taming baby corns. Hope it might be of some help.



Taming and Handling Baby Corns



Please try to put yourself in your new pet's "shoes"...just imagine...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
You were hatched at a breeder's facility and maybe spent all of your
WHOLE YOUNG LIFE thus far in one cage with a particular routine. Then
suddenly your whole world changed. You went to an expo or pet shop, new
cage, new everything. Then some big monsters hundreds of times bigger
than you took you to ANOTHER new home. Another new cage, new routine,
new sights, smells, even the temps and lighting have changed. And now
these giant monsters keep acting like they want to eat you! (At least
the first giant monsters just tossed food in and only moved you around
once in a while.) But they never do actually eat you, they just keep
pretending that they will. Eventually, you will figure out that they
aren't going to eat you after all. And you will figure out that no
matter how you try to escape their grip, or to defend yourself, they
won't put you back in that nice quiet cage. (Of course, if the monsters
DO give in when you defend yourself, and put you back where it is peaceful and quiet,
then you will have learned exactly what to do to get back to that quiet place!)
So eventually you will give up the defensive tactics, get to know your
new home and new routine and maybe even grow to tolerate / enjoy the
warm, gentle hands, especially if the air is cool. But it sure wasn't
easy to get to that point! Hopefully the new owners (aka "monsters")
will realize what you have been going through and try to make the
transition as easy as possible.

Of course, in some cases, the new baby already got used to some of this
in the old surroundings, or the hatchling may just be one of those
animals that is not prone to stress and just naturally adapts quickly to
new situations. But not every animal (or human) can adapt so quickly. So
please take these possibilities into consideration when setting up a new
pet.


Practical Tips:

>
> Go really easy on the handling during the first month after you
> acquire the corn - that is one of the most stressful times in his
> entire life, and he needs to concentrate on adjusting to his new home.
> I would suggest starting to handle him when he has had 2 - 3 days to
> digest his meal and you can't see any bulges at all. Once he is well
> adjusted to his new home, handling your baby for about 10 - 30
> minutes, even more than once on those days just before the next
> feeding, is even better. Usually, he will be pretty wild for the first
> several minutes while he thinks you are getting ready to eat him. Hold
> the little guy over the cage or a garbage can for the first few
> minutes. Both the exercise and the excitement can combine to make him "go"
> when you first start handling him. When they get older, babies will
> only be eating once per week and won't be so excitable, so you won't
> get the same reaction. After several minutes, they are usually emptied
> out.
>
> If you are worried that the baby might escape when you are unfamiliar
> with handling him, then just handle him over the top of the cage (or
> some kind of box that it can't get out of) the first few times. Then
> if he wriggles away or you accidentally drop him, he will be right in
> the cage. After the first few times, you will begin to understand how
> he moves and you won't need to handle him over the safety of the cage
> any longer.
>
> If you pick babies up at all, it is VERY IMPORTANT to keep holding them
> long enough for them to stop struggling and to relax. It is important
> that each session end on a positive note. That is, the snake has
> relaxed for several minutes and is not struggling or trying to bite.
> After the snake has emptied itself over the cage or over a garbage
> can, then sit down for a few minutes with him. Hold fairly tightly
> when he struggles, but relax your grip when he relaxes, tightening
> again if he starts to get a little crazy. They are not the smartest
> animals, but if you are consistent, they will learn:
> 1. They won't get eaten.
> 2. They won't get to go back home until they "behave" themselves.
> 3. The more calm they are, the looser your grip will be.
>
> If you have ever kept and trained dogs, the principles are the same.
If you need to wear a glove for awhile to boost your confidence, then do so.
> Snakes just don't learn quite as quickly as dogs, but they DO learn.
>
> Good luck!
> Kathy Love
>


-
 
kathylove said:
Here is my FAQ on taming baby corns. Hope it might be of some help.

Kathy Love

Hi Kathy,

Just wanted you to know that the Okeetee you sold me will be three years old this June and is doing fine. He's quite well behaved and is a good eater. He's around four feet long and eating two large mice at each feeding. Perhaps it's time to start him on rat pups.

You may recall we met at the Daytona Show 18 months ago. I looked for you last year but must have missed you.

I trust you and Bill are both doing fine.

Eric Wallace,
Palm Coast, 20 north of Daytona Beach
 
When i first got my corn he used to attack and try it but i just stuck in there, move in confiedntly and strong. Most of the time they lunge but don't actually bite unless very hungry. I handle mine every day and he now moves over to me and onto my hand, i think he looks forward to coming out, the human body makes a cracking climbing frame! I also have a Bull snake that is quite feisty, by the nature of the species, but again he's calmed down and doesn't do the "rattlesnake attack" on me anymore. The more you handle them the tamer they get really. I think they can sense apprehension and that may scare them. Hope that helps.
 
Thanks Daytona! Nice to hear that he is doing so well.

Hopefully we will see you (and everyone else who can come) at the corn snake dinner get together (see thread under Misc. forum) at the Daytona show!
 
Just thought I would add a little advice I've seen floating around on some constrictor boards, but you might want to try it all the same.

I've talked with people who own larger snakes (retics, burms, boids, etc.) that have recommend putting the frisky snake in a pillow case with your scent and carrying it around the house with them. I don't have any justification or experience with this method, but it seems to work with the larger snakes. I'm not sure because of your snake's size if this is a proper method, but I thought I would recommend it anyhow.

Good luck!
Like we say at the zoo in the herp house ...
"When you grab...GRAB."

Amy
 
Well ive left him 3 days... Tonight I got his old cage out so that I could handle him over it.. Put me nitrile skin tight glovers on and went for it....

I opened the door on the viv and went at a medium speed for him.. not too fast not too slow. I made sure he saw me coming.. amazingly instead of the usual dash he was quite subdued, I picked him up and he only struggled slightly (amazed).. and put him over his old open top cage while I handled him.. He behaved well.. in fact better than ever before. He twined round be hands only occasionally stretching out to get away.. any way this lasted about 3 to 4 mins.. I then put him down into the old cage below so I could clean the viv out.. I know you say handle him longer but I found it hard work in a way keeping him in me hands and I thought id quite while the going was good
I cleaned his cage and the picked him up and put him back in..

Round 1 to me ...... Although I dont believe for 1 minute ive won the war.. tomorrow is another day :)

Whats the next step u reckon .. handle him tomorrow or leaver him a day ?
How long for.. is the 3 mins ok or a little longer ?
Think ill stick to the glooves for now as it gives me confidance

oh although i had the gloves on he did go round me bare wrists a couple of times

Carlo
 
Could be that you showed more confidence and less hesitation. Just always put him away on a positive note - never while "misbehaving". That is the main thing to remember.
 
Good going, Carlo! Just keep at it!

I have one baby that thinks she is part cobra and part rattle snake. She tries to look very scary, and will for sure bite. But you know what? The first time she bit me (the first of 15 times right in a row!) I realized that it really did not hurt at all; in fact I had to wait until she bit me three more times before I was really sure that she bit me at all!

After that I couldn't do anything but laugh. I mean, she's so little, but so fierce. She still has to bite me when I first pick her up. I guess it is our greeting. But then she settles down. Of course, if I do anything to tic off 'her majesty,' she'll bite me again just to put me in my place. She's reallly become my favorite snake, just because I respect her attitude.

Hang in there; in a few months you'll wonder what all the fuss was about.
 
LizardMom said:
After that I couldn't do anything but laugh. I mean, she's so little, but so fierce. She still has to bite me when I first pick her up. I guess it is our greeting. But then she settles down. Of course, if I do anything to tic off 'her majesty,' she'll bite me again just to put me in my place. She's reallly become my favorite snake, just because I respect her attitude.

Although in the futue it would be great to have all nice and perfect snakes that are fine after a few handling sessions. For some reason I can't help but kind of want a 'naughty' one, I think it's sweet! they are such little characters!
 
Way to go Carlo… well done!<o></o>
When I first handled mine I was not so sure I could just grab her but I have a friend who has one for 9 years and she just picked her up, like that, no fussing. It gave me confidence and I did that the next time I picked mine up and she only rattle just before I pick her up (I might go in too fast) and then wriggle as I pick her up but as soon as she is out of her tank, she is fine, just stays still for 30 seconds to a minute and then starts investigating where she can go and hide on me, she even uses my necklace as an Olympic stadium, go round, explore the shoulders, go round, explore the shoulders then go for the arms, go back to the necklace, go round, etc… LOL
 
CarloS01 said:
Hi
My corn is now about 9 months old. He has always been a problem handling. I too have been aprehensive about handling him. I handle him once or twice a week for a very short period (mainly cause he struggles and dont like being handled). I thought i was beggining to get somewhere with him.

Any way last night I went in to handle him and he went for me. Not once but three times. and when I say went for me I mean went for me (like a mini cobra) :( Any way I backed of and closed the viv glass door. He was then trying to strike me through the glass, all coiled up and head raise like a right nutter.

Any way I find im hugely dissapointed.. Plus it aint doing much for my aprehension. I dont want a snake in a cage, i want to handle him and ive been patient and used techniques mentioned on here..

Any ideas where I go from here.. Thought leave it a couple of days then start wearing glooves ?? maybe body armour as well

Ta




Hello don't be afraid of your snake they sense fear and will react to it. i recently rescued a 3 year old corn,4' long mean as they come. She would strike me every time i reached for her and she breaks the skin! But after about 2 months of handling her even after she would break the skin several times a week, she has grown very friendly and enjoys being handled now. So don't show fear and keep handling on a daily basis and she will be fine in no time. Good luck. Here is a pix of here(MADUSA)
 

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