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Corn Snake Laws in New Jersey???

Thanks Cowboyman for the link to the PDF. :)

In summary, this says you can own corn snakes in NJ with a permit. It says nothing about them being morphs or albinos or any of that since it lumps all Elaphe together. As far as I can see, the requirements are nothing that any responsible keeper would not do anyway.

The relevant parts are as follows:

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7:25-4.3

(a) Exotic species and nongame species requiring a permit
for possession include, but are not limited to the following:

· ii. Rat Snakes - Elaphe spp.

(b) The Department may issue a permit for the possession of
the above exotic mammals, birds, reptiles or amphibians, or
nongame species provided the applicant has satisfactorily met the
criteria contained within N.J.A.C. 7:25-4.7. (that's coming)

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7:25-4.6

(a) The Division may issue, but shall not be limited to, the
following categories of permits.
1. Individual hobby-issued to persons holding exotic
mammals, birds, reptiles or amphibians, or nongame species for
hobby purpose or as pets.

($10.00 Annual application and inspection fee)


(j) Any person holding an Exotic or Nongame Species
Possession Permit pursuant to this subchapter which expires or is
revoked, shall file a report with the Division within fifteen days
after expiration or revocation explaining the final disposition of all
animals in his possession during the calendar year of issue. The
explanation shall set forth the following information: the species
and number of individuals of each species possessed; the date of
birth and current age of each animal, births, deaths and cause of
each death, the complete name, address and telephone number of
the person to whom an animal was transferred or sold, the date the
animal was transferred or sold, and the current location of each
animal’s records.

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And finally:

7:25-4.7 General possession criteria
(a) Prior to the issuance of any permit permitted by these
regulations, every applicant shall, in forms provided by the
Department, demonstrate that:
· 1. The animal will be fed an adequate diet; and
· 2. The animal is housed or caged in a manner that:
· · i. Allows the animal to perform the normal behavior
patterns of its species; and
· · ii. Prevents disease, liberation or accidental injury to the
animal and the public, and
· 3. The method of acquisition did not violate the laws and
regulation of this state, any other state or the Federal Government;
and
· 4. The animal shall receive prompt treatment for any
illness or injury from a licensed veterinarian; and
· 5. The animal is free of infectious diseases and parasites
which may be dangerous to the animal, livestock or people of the
state, provided that the Division may request certification that the
animal for which the permit is being sought is free from infectious
diseases and parasites from a licensed New Jersey veterinarian or a
person recognized as qualified to make such certification by the
Director of Fish and Wildlife.

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The excerpts I took only apply to pet owners. (If you wish to sell any corns, which you would eventually need to if you breed them, then you need to go through the entire document and understand the entire law so that you know what your state requires.)

So, from what I've read, you can have a pet corn, of any morph, for $10 per year for the permit, and any costs incurred getting a vet exam. It looks like you only need one permit no matter how many pet corns you have. I've gotten vet exams for a ball python for $10.

I wonder if this is similar to the setup they now have in Tennessee... :shrugs:
 
Tyger9791 said:
:-offtopic

check it out cowboyman...
http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?id=h-2794

some states still decapitate the rattlers in front of spectators, i dont believe GA still does this...but they do round up the rattlers. and some hunters do use gasoline to drive them out of their burrows. and in some cases, they keep the rattlers for weeks even months without food until the event takes place.
Recently, there were ads on TV for a rattlesnake roundup in Whigham, GA.
here's another article it's from 1998 though, some of the practices may have changed since then...
http://www.wildclassroom.net/wildideas/rattlerroundup.html

Intresting reading and i guess i stand corrected.
 
hey i learn something new here everyday! :cheers:

thanks for posting the pdf, cowboyman, and thanks to serp for interpreting it. my gf is the paralegal i let her read all the legal mumbo jumbo...but all these animal laws/bills get her upset, so i've learned not to ask her to interpret them. :sidestep:
 
Serpwidgets said:
So, from what I've read, you can have a pet corn, of any morph, for $10 per year for the permit, and any costs incurred getting a vet exam. It looks like you only need one permit no matter how many pet corns you have. I've gotten vet exams for a ball python for $10.

Nice interpretaton Serp! But normals are still a No-NO. You cannot get them added onto your permit. They are considered endangered species. This is the same reason I had to get rid of my northern pines before moving here. Other morphs can get approval, especially anything with proven amel genes (butters). It depends on who you talk to on what day for your permit.
 
so to bump this

so say, if i did own normals and i was breeding and createing normals het then what does that mean, i coudlent even get my breeding permit, as long as i dont sell the normals"
 
so say, if i did own normals and i was breeding and createing normals het then what does that mean, i coudlent even get my breeding permit, as long as i dont sell the normals"

It means you will be owning a illegal snake.

Amel, Lavenders, Butter, Snow, Opal and Blizzards are what you can be legally own or sell in this great state, so you would be breaking the law if you do.
 
This is what the law says:

Corn Snakes are an Endangered Species in the state of New Jersey. Possession or sale of any other color morphs, other that those
listed could result in fines, penalties and/or possible revocation of your permit.

The only color morphs that are legal to possess and/or sell are the following:
Red Albino (Amelanistic), Butter, Snow, Pearl,
Lavender, Blizzard, Creamsicle


Basically saying you cannot own any dark eyed corns because corns are endangered in NJ.

I have my permits for all my reptiles, I just happen to leave out the fact that I have dark eyed morphs. Since I don't breed I can't tell you what the laws on breeding corns would be. Most likely they would tell you it was okay with the right permit but you could not sell them to anyone in NJ. You can email them and ask they will answer you. I think it is a stupid law but I see where they are coming from because a lot of people take snakes from the wild and also release captive ones which will mess with the wild population. People tried changing the law at one point but it didn't work.
 
This is what the law says:

[
I have my permits for all my reptiles, I just happen to leave out the fact that I have dark eyed morphs. Since I don't breed I can't tell you what the laws on breeding corns would be. Most likely they would tell you it was okay with the right permit but you could not sell them to anyone in NJ. You can email them and ask they will answer you. QUOTE]


Did they updated this???
Because my understanding was that you didn't need a permit for the morphs that you listed. Only if you own an "normal" and ONLY a zoo or such could apply for one.

Ya mind giving me that address and infor where you got that permit. Please............
 
soo

Do i need a permit for all my other corns i mean wouldent be selling for at least 3-4 years anyways so basicly i should just move to like pa or delaware when those 3-4 years r up? and then get my breeders license?
 
I'm from NJ..and I can't wait to move to FL...these laws here are really holding me back and make me nervous...
 
Did they updated this???
Because my understanding was that you didn't need a permit for the morphs that you listed. Only if you own an "normal" and ONLY a zoo or such could apply for one.

Ya mind giving me that address and infor where you got that permit. Please............


You need a permit for all corns even the ones listed.

This is the form you have to fill out and send in with $10. The address is at the bottom.

http://www.nj.gov/dep/fgw/pdf/xotic_hobby.pdf
 
Do i need a permit for all my other corns i mean wouldent be selling for at least 3-4 years anyways so basicly i should just move to like pa or delaware when those 3-4 years r up? and then get my breeders license?

If you are not going to breed them while you are in NJ then you don't need Pet Shop/Retail Sales or Animal Dealer/Wholesale Sales but you do need Individual Hobby Exotic and Nongame Wildlife Species Possession permit for your corns which is the link I posted above.
 
You need a permit for all corns even the ones listed.

This is the form you have to fill out and send in with $10. The address is at the bottom.

http://www.nj.gov/dep/fgw/pdf/xotic_hobby.pdf

Do you know what should be done if I don't have the pink slip?
"Your 20-day temporary permit receipt (pink slip) should be sent with this application. All permits will be denied if receipts are not provided."

I got my corns years ago and threw the slips in the trash.
 
Do you know what should be done if I don't have the pink slip?
"Your 20-day temporary permit receipt (pink slip) should be sent with this application. All permits will be denied if receipts are not provided."

I got my corns years ago and threw the slips in the trash.

I didn't have any of mine either. They told me to expain where I got them as best I could.
 
Interesting thread going on here. The man I bought my new corn from was telling me about how nervous he gets driving through Ga. because of the crazy laws. I didn't know about N.J. but I'm not that surprised. Jersey has some really idiotic laws concerning guns as well. ( Unless you're a cop or in the service!)

I guess they don't consider pet owners as PRESERVING the normal morph eh? And if the corn is endangered because of development, then why don't they restrict housing developments? Every time I go to Jersey, it seems to be wall to wall people! I avoid driving through that state like the plague because there seems to be no country anymore.

Grumble, grumble.

Devon
 
I had no clue Jersey was strict like that. I mean what exactly is the big difference between a normal and amel anyway. Amelanitic genes came from the wild as well so where is their basis for this law? Honestly i would so be breaking that law its not like they can run up in your house without probable cause and a search warrant. I also highly doubt your average over weight donut eating cop could spot a corn snake you could always say its somehting else. Jersey is one of the most dirty, nasty, polluted states on the east coast (no offense) since when did they care about their native species or environment? And what about their native species of prostitutes, crack heads, and drug dealers. They may not be endangered and all but shouldn't they be busier dealing with this population?
 
I had no clue Jersey was strict like that. I mean what exactly is the big difference between a normal and amel anyway. Amelanitic genes came from the wild as well so where is their basis for this law? Honestly i would so be breaking that law its not like they can run up in your house without probable cause and a search warrant. I also highly doubt your average over weight donut eating cop could spot a corn snake you could always say its somehting else. Jersey is one of the most dirty, nasty, polluted states on the east coast (no offense) since when did they care about their native species or environment? And what about their native species of prostitutes, crack heads, and drug dealers. They may not be endangered and all but shouldn't they be busier dealing with this population?

I think their main concern with dark morphs is if they get loose or someone lets them go that they will reproduce and effect the wild population where as if lighter morphs where to get out they probably wouldn't survive. My view on the law is that if you can prove the animal was not WC in NJ and you get a permit for it it should not be a problem but they don't think so and people have tried changing it but no luck.

Cops could really care less about what animals you have it's if you get reported by someone to the Wildlife Fish and Game that is the problem, but even then our Fish and Game know nothing about reptiles and I really hate them with a passion.

Personally I don't think where I live is very polluted. I think in Cape May we have been doing a pretty good job of trying to keep things clean but there are always dumb people would dump trash and stuff. Up north in the cities it does get pretty bad though.

As far as I know they are not doing anything to help the remaining population of corn snakes in NJ or any snake, turtle, frog or salamander for that matter. We have done a lot for Diamondback Terrapins but that is it as far as I know. We have a lot of threatened animals that they restrict us from owning as pets but they do not do anything to help the wild populations. As with all governments ours is retarded.
 
I hope you know I wasn't trying to be mean making fun of dirty Jersey as we call it. I live in between D.C and Baltimore, lol nuff said;) I know due to the brightness of amels and their red eyes their chances of being eaten are great, but come on what kind of wacky law is that. I know you can't change it don't get me wrong, but seriously that is almost the funniest bureaucratic law I have ever heard of. I see you somewhat disregard the law as yourself and I am sure many others do the same- its just sad with all the other environmental threat around they chose to pick on corn snakes.
 
I hope you know I wasn't trying to be mean making fun of dirty Jersey as we call it. I live in between D.C and Baltimore, lol nuff said;) I know due to the brightness of amels and their red eyes their chances of being eaten are great, but come on what kind of wacky law is that. I know you can't change it don't get me wrong, but seriously that is almost the funniest bureaucratic law I have ever heard of. I see you somewhat disregard the law as yourself and I am sure many others do the same- its just sad with all the other environmental threat around they chose to pick on corn snakes.

I know you weren't trying to be mean and I don't take it personally. A lot of Jersey is nasty but it tends to be more Central and North Jersey, South Jersey is still pretty good and I hope it stays that way.

I agree completely that the law is stupid and there are a lot other things they should be concerning themselves about. I do not sell or breed my dark eyed corns but I do own them and they happen to be my favorites, so I hope one day they will change that law but I'm sure it's doubtfully
 
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