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cornsnake manipulating and managment in captivity

you can't reach the microcosmus of nature my friend.when i say that their time expires i mean that they have not a kinda clock but their body chemistry makes them die.none of the organisms in this planet is living in luck.there are some laws that are behind of saying fit animal.when i say strong i mean animals that have strong gene carry.don't be fooled of fitness,camouflage etc.all these factors are the result of gene expression in the organism.if there is a gene that is not well exressed in the anomal this animal is immediatly vulnerable in any kind of danger including health issues.so you can now imagine that mutations that are caused in an organism may have good or bad results.for example the morph of the leopard snake in the wild is either blotched or stripped.for this wild morph to be presented in nature until today is a real proof that this mutation worked well in nature as the blotched pattern meaning that this morph hadn't bad effect to this species.please i don't have any bad intentions in order to reduce guys but i have the sence that you have open a kind of war to me.i study genetics,physiology etc and have knowledgement that it is based not on my mind.if you would like to snob me because you suspect that i am here to make academic speech you should't because i have not such an intentions.finally the clock has to do with the non balanced body chemistry like in everyother living organism resulting sudden deaths.
 
I understand your statement about how genetics play a part in the survival of the species, however, in captivity, we have negated many of the things that would make an animal vulnerable. Most of the morphs that exist today would not make it in the wild as they would be far too visible to prey. That does not change the fact that they are healthy and should live as long, if not longer than their wild counterparts. Your study though is quite flawed in that you've also negated the animals natural instinct which is to move away from others and search on their own for food. You've placed an un-natural stress upon them by placing large numbers of them in one area and then expect them to compete for food. This would not happen in the wild, so your numbers mean nothing. If you're going to do a study like this, you would have to have control groups, and also a wild group. You'd have to tag the wild group in order to follow them and find out what and where they are eating. I've yet to find one species of snake in a group in the wild, ever. And I've found a good portion in the wild. As I said, the exception is garters at breeding time and rattlesnakes when they den up for the winter. Otherwise, they are singular creatures. For all your purported training in science, you should know better than to present a conclusion based upon these weak results. I'd be willing to bet that the larger breeders here could give better results than you could. Their thousands of animals compared to your dozens. I have no problem with academic speech. I have degrees in science too, so academia is not foreign to me. I've probably been out of school longer than you've been around! If you want to be taken seriously by the people around here-many with degrees in biology etc. you need to come up with a better study than that!
 
I agree with Meg, to me your methodology and reasoning are deeply flawed. Could you possibly state your hypothesis formally so we can make informed judgement?
 
RIOSMA said:
finally the clock has to do with the non balanced body chemistry like in everyother living organism resulting sudden deaths.
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Sudden death? I am intrigued. Please show me some peer-review literature that speaks of this. I know a lot about genes and gene expression and am not trying to declare war on you. I am merely trying to better understand these hypothesis and results you are submitting. I do not disagree faulty genes can result in the death of the organism. I just don't understand this preprogrammed clock that makes an organism suddenly die. Heck, if I drink several gallons of bleach I think I will probably die...but is it because my genes couldn't code for help from bleach and thus my clock was up OR was it because I didn't read the label and drank bleach?

Also, it has already been said but I must agree...a small sample size AND a captive study does not necessarily mean the results can be extrapolated to the species as a whole or how it acts in the wild.
 
I'm wondering if the bodyclock analogy referred to is like that suggested in gerontology? as far as I can remember it's to do with combinations of mistakes in mitosis leading to less efficient replication of cells over time? It's one of the theories of how aging processess lead to eventual death?
 
RIOSMA said:
i have obviously no reason to improve my academic talent simoly because i am not a pro.seconldy the snakes that died were concluded in the 30% of the survival rate.do you know what sudden death in reptiles is?i believe that you know this and how this term is linked.sudden death has to do with the gene clock that every organism has.when the time expires you all know that death comes.this happens in all species moslty in fishes,incects,reptiles and amphibians as these classes produce a big number of speciments.what i have asked and would like to have your opinion has to do with the competition factor.in captivity a number of factors do not appear as in the wild.you say that i caused stress because i kept them in groups.i say that i did not caused any of streess because there was group and every speciment was feeling safe.they did not feeling vulenerable at all.you all know that anyone can make a snake eat if plece it with snakes that are already eating so as to improve cometition.
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Tad confused here. All I have to say is in the wild you don't see baby snakes getting in groups, they set out on their own the second they come out of the egg, so why put them together? These guys Stress out VERY easy and rightfully so. I would be terrified if there was "walking tress" and then being in a small area with a bunch of siblings. Competition is a poor word for this because to be honest there shouldn't be any.

They hatch, they go their separate ways and then nature takes care of them.
 
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