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cornsnakes vs. kingsnakes
- Thread starter GinnyO
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I think I've heard that kingsnakes tend to be more aggressive...but this might just be people's opinions that I picked up.
And I think kingsnakes and milksnakes are definite cannibals who will surely eat another snake of the same species (kings will eat other kings, milks will eat other milks). Again, I'm just repeating what I've heard, so I'm not entirely sure on the accuracy of this.
And I think kingsnakes and milksnakes are definite cannibals who will surely eat another snake of the same species (kings will eat other kings, milks will eat other milks). Again, I'm just repeating what I've heard, so I'm not entirely sure on the accuracy of this.
Gregg
Ancient Elder
My son has a Albino, Striped California King
That is about six or seven years old, named Peety. Now, I don't mean to put down Kingsnakes--Well, yes I do--but Peety has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever met. It seems to be much dumber than my big corn, Spot. Why, one day, after Peety finished eating his mouse, he smelled another mouse somewhere. I watched him flick his tongue here and there, searching every inch of his cage for that morsel. Sniffing his side, and finally realizing he had found that which he sought, he struck himself right where the mouse was he had swallowed and he preceeded to roll himself up in coils. Stupid snake!
But Wait! There's more! 19 times out of ten, Peety will take twice as long to find his food than Spot, who is roughly his equal in size. Then he will inevitably grab the mouse as if it were alive and roll it up to kill it when it is dead already. Spot somehow knows the mouse is dead and will seek out its head and begin swallowing. Of course, I can get Spot to act the same by dangling the dead mouse in front of him and wiggling it. Spot will be almost finished swallowing his mouse before Peety gives up strangling his. Then, Peety will almost always eat the mouse Butt First! Why I do not know.
And why don't I like Kingsnakes? Because they will fart [parden the word] faster than an old man after a good meal. Man, I hate that!
My son likes Peety, though, I think he likes him better than his corns because, unlike his corn snakes who are always in "gotta get away mode," peety will lay around my son's neck like a rope and just hang there. It looks sort of funny to me to see my son with Peety around his neck. The snake doesn't give a flip what James does, Peety's out for the ride and lovin' it. If my son is holding him on the couch, then Peety is content to simply lay there with him. Whereas, I'm hesitant to sit down with any of the corns because they want off and away. Also, If one of the corns gets really nice and quiet, and very still, while I'm holding it, then I know it's fixin' to let me have a little thank you gift. Since Peety is almost always still when James holds it, I get a perverted sense of enjoyment out of watching my son jump up and scream when Peety "thanks" him.
As far as care, the two snake types follow the same needs. The Kingsnake likes it a little cooler, I've noticed, since he is almost always in his water. Also, the Kingsnake is more active, or so I've noticed. He's out lot! Temperaments are about the same between the two snake types. I have noticed, however, that Peety doesn't like for me to reach in and get him. He tends to kick and hiss. Whereas, I can reach in and get the corns, though they may prefer to run and hide. Rather, Peety would like for me to let him come out on his own and then I can pick him up, once he has crested over the top of the cage. This may only be one of Peety's silly personality traits, however, and not normal Kingsnake behavior.
Personally, I prefer Corn Snakes. My son says his beginning to prefer Kingsnakes. I think it is because he can hold Peety and Peety will be like a rag doll. So, if your daughter doesn't mind being hissed at, pissed and farted on, and shat upon {past tense of ...well I think you know.}, then the Kingsnake is the way to go for her, because they are more willing to simply hang around. But, if you want a realitively more clean snake, then a corn is better. Hey, why not get both?
That is about six or seven years old, named Peety. Now, I don't mean to put down Kingsnakes--Well, yes I do--but Peety has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever met. It seems to be much dumber than my big corn, Spot. Why, one day, after Peety finished eating his mouse, he smelled another mouse somewhere. I watched him flick his tongue here and there, searching every inch of his cage for that morsel. Sniffing his side, and finally realizing he had found that which he sought, he struck himself right where the mouse was he had swallowed and he preceeded to roll himself up in coils. Stupid snake!
But Wait! There's more! 19 times out of ten, Peety will take twice as long to find his food than Spot, who is roughly his equal in size. Then he will inevitably grab the mouse as if it were alive and roll it up to kill it when it is dead already. Spot somehow knows the mouse is dead and will seek out its head and begin swallowing. Of course, I can get Spot to act the same by dangling the dead mouse in front of him and wiggling it. Spot will be almost finished swallowing his mouse before Peety gives up strangling his. Then, Peety will almost always eat the mouse Butt First! Why I do not know.
And why don't I like Kingsnakes? Because they will fart [parden the word] faster than an old man after a good meal. Man, I hate that!
My son likes Peety, though, I think he likes him better than his corns because, unlike his corn snakes who are always in "gotta get away mode," peety will lay around my son's neck like a rope and just hang there. It looks sort of funny to me to see my son with Peety around his neck. The snake doesn't give a flip what James does, Peety's out for the ride and lovin' it. If my son is holding him on the couch, then Peety is content to simply lay there with him. Whereas, I'm hesitant to sit down with any of the corns because they want off and away. Also, If one of the corns gets really nice and quiet, and very still, while I'm holding it, then I know it's fixin' to let me have a little thank you gift. Since Peety is almost always still when James holds it, I get a perverted sense of enjoyment out of watching my son jump up and scream when Peety "thanks" him.
As far as care, the two snake types follow the same needs. The Kingsnake likes it a little cooler, I've noticed, since he is almost always in his water. Also, the Kingsnake is more active, or so I've noticed. He's out lot! Temperaments are about the same between the two snake types. I have noticed, however, that Peety doesn't like for me to reach in and get him. He tends to kick and hiss. Whereas, I can reach in and get the corns, though they may prefer to run and hide. Rather, Peety would like for me to let him come out on his own and then I can pick him up, once he has crested over the top of the cage. This may only be one of Peety's silly personality traits, however, and not normal Kingsnake behavior.
Personally, I prefer Corn Snakes. My son says his beginning to prefer Kingsnakes. I think it is because he can hold Peety and Peety will be like a rag doll. So, if your daughter doesn't mind being hissed at, pissed and farted on, and shat upon {past tense of ...well I think you know.}, then the Kingsnake is the way to go for her, because they are more willing to simply hang around. But, if you want a realitively more clean snake, then a corn is better. Hey, why not get both?
bmm
New member
my take
I have 5 corns, and two kingsnakes.
One kingsnake is a 1 year old California Kingsnake, the other is a 4-5 year old Mexican Black Kingsnake.
In my experience with these guys both kings tend to be more aggresive than all my corns. Not when it comes to handling but definitly during feeding time...both kings at times will rush about the cage with mouth wide open in a "feeding frenzy" type behavior when food is near or introduced, I haven't seen my corns do this at all.
Both my kings take AGES longer to swallow their meal than my corns..
But as for pet wise, kings are a bit more aggresive, corns are a bit more predictable in my opinion. My cal king is a total baby, but even he is less predictable than my corns.
Both make excellent pets though, and the slight amount of more aggresion kings have is little enough that anyone can easily keep them if they keep corns, or as a first snake.
bmm
IMHO
I have 5 corns, and two kingsnakes.
One kingsnake is a 1 year old California Kingsnake, the other is a 4-5 year old Mexican Black Kingsnake.
In my experience with these guys both kings tend to be more aggresive than all my corns. Not when it comes to handling but definitly during feeding time...both kings at times will rush about the cage with mouth wide open in a "feeding frenzy" type behavior when food is near or introduced, I haven't seen my corns do this at all.
Both my kings take AGES longer to swallow their meal than my corns..
But as for pet wise, kings are a bit more aggresive, corns are a bit more predictable in my opinion. My cal king is a total baby, but even he is less predictable than my corns.
Both make excellent pets though, and the slight amount of more aggresion kings have is little enough that anyone can easily keep them if they keep corns, or as a first snake.
bmm
IMHO
Tenacious_Ash
New member
Re: My son has a Albino, Striped California King
HAHA! that was very funny. I remember one time i got **** on by my friends corn. and i noticed when it laid still, i got sh*t on. so what i did next time he did that to me, was pass him to his owner. And he got sh*t on like never before! His hand was covered. And just 2 weeks ago, he went still on me again, so i placed him on the bed and watched him. THe owner started talking to the corn, saying he was a good snake for being so still. Then a puddle of sh*t and p*ss emerged from under him, all on the bed sheet.
Oh the good times!
Gregg said:
HAHA! that was very funny. I remember one time i got **** on by my friends corn. and i noticed when it laid still, i got sh*t on. so what i did next time he did that to me, was pass him to his owner. And he got sh*t on like never before! His hand was covered. And just 2 weeks ago, he went still on me again, so i placed him on the bed and watched him. THe owner started talking to the corn, saying he was a good snake for being so still. Then a puddle of sh*t and p*ss emerged from under him, all on the bed sheet.
Oh the good times!
SilverTongue
Friend Of Gaia
LoL My kingsnakes (which btw are for sale) Are pains in the butt! I cant pick them up without them loosing going to the bathroom! YUCK. But after I have them out they calm down a bit I just prefer my cornsnakes!
I just prefer my cornsnakes!
Simon
Corn Manic
I too had king snakes before. But yes....their famous....sh*t.... that is one of the reason why I got rid of it....
the second thing that I have noticed is that A LOT of my little corn snakes HATES IT when they smell that I have handled with a king snake before holding them. They get super aggressive and bit as if there is no tomorrow. (This is natural because they know that king snakes eat other snakes too so they are more defensive smelling me like a king snake....)
Also keeping king snakes and corn snakes together might cause the corns to be stressed out easily. The smell that kings has could be easily picked up by corns.
If you are going to get both, please let them be a bit part. (Maybe in separate rooms would be nice)
So the second reason why I sold my king snake was because my corn snakes started getting stressed out by the smell of a king snake nearby...so I had to give up one or the other....so...bye bye king...hahahah
Just my own experience......
the second thing that I have noticed is that A LOT of my little corn snakes HATES IT when they smell that I have handled with a king snake before holding them. They get super aggressive and bit as if there is no tomorrow. (This is natural because they know that king snakes eat other snakes too so they are more defensive smelling me like a king snake....)
Also keeping king snakes and corn snakes together might cause the corns to be stressed out easily. The smell that kings has could be easily picked up by corns.
If you are going to get both, please let them be a bit part. (Maybe in separate rooms would be nice)
So the second reason why I sold my king snake was because my corn snakes started getting stressed out by the smell of a king snake nearby...so I had to give up one or the other....so...bye bye king...hahahah
Just my own experience......
*shrug*
I have kings and milks along with my corns...right in the same racks and I have yet to see any behavioral problems from my corns...everyone feeds just fine, no stressed out people. Both the kings and milks were a pain when I first got them as hatchlings...musking all over the place, chewing on me, etc. but now at 1-2 years old, they're sweet as can be. Yes, come dinnertime, they get that feral gleam in their eye, and most of them catch their food in midair. They also happen to be my "garbage disposals" getting all the leftovers if someone didn't feel hungry.
Husbandry-wise they're just as easy as corns...just be used to something that's a bit faster moving and always hungry
I have kings and milks along with my corns...right in the same racks and I have yet to see any behavioral problems from my corns...everyone feeds just fine, no stressed out people. Both the kings and milks were a pain when I first got them as hatchlings...musking all over the place, chewing on me, etc. but now at 1-2 years old, they're sweet as can be. Yes, come dinnertime, they get that feral gleam in their eye, and most of them catch their food in midair. They also happen to be my "garbage disposals" getting all the leftovers if someone didn't feel hungry.
Husbandry-wise they're just as easy as corns...just be used to something that's a bit faster moving and always hungry
bmm
New member
for sure!
While my kings are more aggresive, when holding them, especially my cal-king they are total sweethearts. And I have recieved no crapped on hands or anything, and only one musk in all this time.
And I totally agree about them being garbage disposials!!! My two kings get all the "leftovers" and "extras" all the time and love it!
bmm
While my kings are more aggresive, when holding them, especially my cal-king they are total sweethearts. And I have recieved no crapped on hands or anything, and only one musk in all this time.
And I totally agree about them being garbage disposials!!! My two kings get all the "leftovers" and "extras" all the time and love it!
bmm
kings and corns
ok i'm going to blaspheme here on the corn forum....
i like my kings better than the corns. (and a rain of fire tore the sky asunder) ok, there, i've said it.
kings do have a habit of musking quite frequently as youngsters but this will calm as they age the same way corns will stop struggling madly trying to flee as they mature.
kings are probably a bit more aggressive, but this too will change as they mature.
nothing can beat the variability in colors of a corn (not even the aptly named variable king) but as far as vibrancy of color i think the kings are tops.
if you plan on breeding i think you should expect more problems with kings because of hatchling size and feeding preferences of the hatchlings but with patiece these are often easily overcome.
about half of my collection is corns and the other half is a mixture of other small colubrids but i can see in the future that corns will make up a smaller percentage of my collection as my interest in other species grows.
so in summary if you don't mind a snake that might occasionally (every time you touch it) bite, hiss, or musk and will need more work to "correct" these "behavioral problems" then you'd like a king. just my take on things...---jim
ok i'm going to blaspheme here on the corn forum....
i like my kings better than the corns. (and a rain of fire tore the sky asunder) ok, there, i've said it.
kings do have a habit of musking quite frequently as youngsters but this will calm as they age the same way corns will stop struggling madly trying to flee as they mature.
kings are probably a bit more aggressive, but this too will change as they mature.
nothing can beat the variability in colors of a corn (not even the aptly named variable king) but as far as vibrancy of color i think the kings are tops.
if you plan on breeding i think you should expect more problems with kings because of hatchling size and feeding preferences of the hatchlings but with patiece these are often easily overcome.
about half of my collection is corns and the other half is a mixture of other small colubrids but i can see in the future that corns will make up a smaller percentage of my collection as my interest in other species grows.
so in summary if you don't mind a snake that might occasionally (every time you touch it) bite, hiss, or musk and will need more work to "correct" these "behavioral problems" then you'd like a king. just my take on things...
---jimi keep corns kings and milks, milk snakes are quite timid i have to admit and are fast they arent as easy to care for i only got bit when force feeding by milks,corns are mellow but not completley harmless i have been bit a few times, and most king snakes are biting me all the time i have been bitten by my kings 16 times on each ocaison they wouldnt let go but if you do want a king snake get a san lui potosi king i dont know what you would have to do to get bit by them i havent been bitten by a san lui potosi king
Anel & Dirk
Cornvicted troublemaker
Is anybody here reminded...
of a certain clumsly member we had?
Just asking?
of a certain clumsly member we had?
Just asking?
rachel132002
New member
I have a corn and I'm considering buying a king soon and the main difference really is a king snake will curl round your wrist and just stay put whereas corn's like to explore a lot more and tend to pick a direction and go for it and are still very docile also there are so many more types of corn snakes and you'll have a wide range of colours and patterns to choose from - kings still have a lot but not nearly as many that i've seen!
Rach
Rach
Anel & Dirk
Cornvicted troublemaker
Cav
We better hope for da best!
We better hope for da best!
I like my milk he (or she) lets you hold him and he eats, nothin really wrong with him. I can't really compare corns and milks cause I don't have a corn. If your daughter is a little kid she might like milks cause there a little smaller.
P.S Not all milks are smaller just some (mines a foot 1/2)
check this page out
http://www.kingsnake.com/king/triangulum/triangulum.html
P.S Not all milks are smaller just some (mines a foot 1/2)
check this page out
http://www.kingsnake.com/king/triangulum/triangulum.html
Chip
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒ&
Very similar in behavior?!
I have owned a pile of kings and milks. I LOVE black milks (not Mexican, but the huge Costa Ricans) for pets and to bring to schools. Amazingly calm and gentle and REAL big. Milks as a rule are slow to bite, much more so than corns or kings. But they are squirmy little things when removed from their cage until they calm down. The bright colors make them worth their flightyness in most keeper's eyes.
W/C corns and kings can be nippy, as are hatchlings of both. I'd give the edge to kings, though, on more likely to bite, and more severe bites. Also kings have suddenly decided my arm just must be food. They will press their snout into it and bite out of the blue after being held without a problem. I've only once had a corn do this and it was fresh out of brumation and very hungry.
Speckled kings seem to have the worst temperments. Cals can be pistols too, until handled enough. Actually, once you get out of the "getula" genus, they are much more docile. And a bit harder to feed. Not that there's anything hard about feeding a getula! I'm sure others' experience will differ from mine, but for what it's worth:
1) Corns: eager feeders, may rattle, buzz and strike but calm down once in hand. Calm permanently as well as any snake.
2) Milks: flighty and nervous when removed, very seldom bite. Have to be "calmed" every time you handle them for a minute or two. Then they are fine. Black milks seem to be an exception. They are sweethearts -although I've heard w/c adults can be EVIL, they aren't really availible any more.
3) other kings (calligaster, etc) closer to corns and milks in temperament.
4) common kings (getula) big, pretty pooping and eating machines. Most make fine pets, you may have to break their will at first, but become quite docile. Best to leave them alone when their feeding response is activated.
I have owned a pile of kings and milks. I LOVE black milks (not Mexican, but the huge Costa Ricans) for pets and to bring to schools. Amazingly calm and gentle and REAL big. Milks as a rule are slow to bite, much more so than corns or kings. But they are squirmy little things when removed from their cage until they calm down. The bright colors make them worth their flightyness in most keeper's eyes.
W/C corns and kings can be nippy, as are hatchlings of both. I'd give the edge to kings, though, on more likely to bite, and more severe bites. Also kings have suddenly decided my arm just must be food. They will press their snout into it and bite out of the blue after being held without a problem. I've only once had a corn do this and it was fresh out of brumation and very hungry.
Speckled kings seem to have the worst temperments. Cals can be pistols too, until handled enough. Actually, once you get out of the "getula" genus, they are much more docile. And a bit harder to feed. Not that there's anything hard about feeding a getula!
I'm sure others' experience will differ from mine, but for what it's worth:1) Corns: eager feeders, may rattle, buzz and strike but calm down once in hand. Calm permanently as well as any snake.
2) Milks: flighty and nervous when removed, very seldom bite. Have to be "calmed" every time you handle them for a minute or two. Then they are fine. Black milks seem to be an exception. They are sweethearts -although I've heard w/c adults can be EVIL, they aren't really availible any more.
3) other kings (calligaster, etc) closer to corns and milks in temperament.
4) common kings (getula) big, pretty pooping and eating machines. Most make fine pets, you may have to break their will at first, but become quite docile. Best to leave them alone when their feeding response is activated.
CornCrazy
What's one more???
I also have...
corns, kings, and milks (and 1 BP). I really like the corns and kings best. My milk snakes are very high strung, however, neither of them has ever tried to bite me. I have been bitten only once by one of my kings, and it was a feeding response. I think the corns temperament is the most docile, but they are definitely more inquisitive than the kings and don't stay still for long.
As for the poop of a king...I haven't noticed a big difference between the kings and corns. The kings may produce a bit more volume, but that's about it. I've never had any kings "fart" on me. I have noticed that my milk snakes don't produce quite as much poop. Sometimes I think that is because they will only eat small meals. One of them eats 5 fuzzies per feeding and I cannot get her to accept larger food items. I think she digests the fuzzies better than she would a larger item so she doesn't have as much waste products. That's just a theory, though!
All in all, I think all three of these make great beginner snakes.
corns, kings, and milks (and 1 BP). I really like the corns and kings best. My milk snakes are very high strung, however, neither of them has ever tried to bite me. I have been bitten only once by one of my kings, and it was a feeding response. I think the corns temperament is the most docile, but they are definitely more inquisitive than the kings and don't stay still for long.
As for the poop of a king...I haven't noticed a big difference between the kings and corns. The kings may produce a bit more volume, but that's about it. I've never had any kings "fart" on me. I have noticed that my milk snakes don't produce quite as much poop. Sometimes I think that is because they will only eat small meals. One of them eats 5 fuzzies per feeding and I cannot get her to accept larger food items. I think she digests the fuzzies better than she would a larger item so she doesn't have as much waste products. That's just a theory, though!
All in all, I think all three of these make great beginner snakes.
