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Desperate!!!

I have not handled her but for medication purposes, so indeed, no photosession for her... By the way, any nice and creative idea for a nice setting for the photo's is much appreciated ;) Handling pictures are a bit dull I think....
 
We could do a "jewelry" session... necklace snake (not with Perseus!), armband snake, bracelet snake, crown snake, etc... lol

I like the ones you make on the grass and on the tree, they are really nice.
 
Not sure if I like human skin in the pics... I like the snakes to be the center of attention, but we might do some anyway, could be fun! Perseus can be your full coverage 'upperarm bracelet'!

Thanks, I like them too, also takign them but too cold lately to have a day in the park with them... We'll do that next year when they are all way bigger!
 
I foudn out that the lowest temp in her viv was a bit too low, and she has been lurking there a lot so the bad digestion might well have been caused by that. I provided her with a higher wattage bulb and lowest temp is withinh digestion temps now. There is a cut fuzzie with some Nutribac in her viv right now in fornt of her hiding place where I made her go. She seems to prefer eating there. I wiggled the fuzzie a bit and she kept looking so I hope it has been eaten soon....
 
As long as she has at least one spot that she can hide that has temps that are acceptable, that should be all you need. They pick what they want. I've even had my amel sit in a water bowl after eating....don't ask me why! Even when the cool side has gotten down below 70 they've managed to digest just fine.
 
But she hung out at the cold side after dinner.... and that was too cold. Looks like she forgot somehow that it takes warmth to digest... I've been told that with a too low level of good gut bacteria 'hunger signs' to the brain are reduced, I think that has happened to her. Perhaps also the digestion = warmth link has been broken....
 
Like I said though. I've had them digest just fine on cool sides where the temps have gone down below 70 in the wintertime. I think there's something else going on with her. Have you had a fecal done? It could be that she's just extra sensitive to temps though.
 
MegF. said:
Like I said though. I've had them digest just fine on cool sides where the temps have gone down below 70 in the wintertime. I think there's something else going on with her. Have you had a fecal done? It could be that she's just extra sensitive to temps though.
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I had her checked 3 times and the third time next to any visible parasites for several specific diseases; coccidiosis (spell?), crypto, chlamydia and something else I forgot. All tests were negative. She already has been treated with doxycicline and Flagyl. The VET said she didnt see any bacteria at all with the microscope which she attributed to the doxy, then she 'gave the Flagyl to be sure anything was killed and because Flagyl is very specifically usefull against any intestine bugs and 'fungus'.
 
Hmm, then she should be clean. Have you tried Nutribac to help replenish the gut flora. It's possible the antibiotics killed even the good flora and have caused the problem.
 
That is exactly what I am saying.. that her good flora is just almost gone.... I did try Nutribac several times, yes.

Since I've heared that for problems like this in humans, poo (bacteria) injections work and since I've been informed that Joe Pierce recommends smearing poo on prey to reflourish gut flora (in hatchlings) I mixed a bit of fresh poo from my yellow rat (awesome feeding response and terrific digestion) which I found today with kittne milk and syringed some into Freya... I know it is very yukkie and soem people might flame me for this but it does sound logical to me... and remember, dogs eat poo all the time... they might know what is good for gut flora :roll eyes:

Freya has not eaten the fuzzie yet which is still in her viv, so I put her in her hide again and did a crazy cow dance in front of it with the fuzzie... she did look at it, so I hope it works like last time... if not, I'll keep syringing kitty milk with or without poo every other day this week until I go to my mouse supplier again and buy a live fuzzie to try that again. Any nutricients she gets in are good IMO...
 
I've never heard of the poo thing... But I hope it works for you and she eats.

BTW, dogs eat their poo because of instinct, at least from what I've read. It was a survival tactic from wolf ancestor days so that they would be able to eat when there wasn't much food. So I don't think that they really know about the gut flora. :rolleyes:
 
chibitamalove said:
I've never heard of the poo thing... But I hope it works for you and she eats.

BTW, dogs eat their poo because of instinct, at least from what I've read. It was a survival tactic from wolf ancestor days so that they would be able to eat when there wasn't much food. So I don't think that they really know about the gut flora. :rolleyes:
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Maybe they don't know, but there instinct tells them to.... ;)

And horses allso eat poo now and then. Thought it might be because of some mineral lack... but I think nobody knows for sure...
 
Baby koalas die unless they eat the poo from their mother to give them the bacteria to enable them to break down eucalyptus leaves!
Fingers crossed for your snake here, how is her weight doing?
 
Dogs and horses eat poo for reasons no one knows. It's an unhealthy habit called coprophagia and it's usually due to diet imbalance or boredom. A properly fed dog with lots to do to keep it busy usually won't do it. Anxiety can create the habit too. I don't think I would put poop of any kind into an animal unless it's required for their health (evidently koalas). There's a chance you are giving salmonella to an already compromised animal or any other "bug" that your other snake could have. Not all species can eat crap and do well, in fact most can't do well if they do. Snakes are not beetles!
 
would the snake be able to digest kitten milk? Surely it wouldn't have the right enzymes at all?
 
The kitten milk was advised as a good idea by the vet too....

Since my yellow rat is healthy and eating like a monster I don't think she has any bugs that would be bad for my emoryi. If there are some, the balance in the yellow rat seems ok so the same balance is now put into the stomach of my emoryi. I also trust Joe Pierces advice and the fact that it seems to work in humans (though in that case the poo probably has been checked for bad bugs).

My specialized reptile VET said there were no bacteria in her stomach, she has been treated with 2 types of antibio, she told if this second cure of antibio would not work, the only thing that could be done was testing for some virus in a German lab which would cause lots of money and only confirm nothing can be done to cure her... so I figured that I might give the poo a try... I did not hear any other advice what else I could try... please tell me what would you do?
 
The milk just doesn't sound like a good idea for a non-mammalian species, there wouldn't be the right enzymes in a snake's system to break it down, and I'm just thinking it could really harm the snake by giving it diorrhea?
Couldn't you just carry on with offering live every week, now that you've had the fecals done and sorted the temperature out?
(In response to what you said earlier about feeling almost angry at every refusal, I know that feeling so well and my heart goes out to you, so many times when Lil was poorly I had to go walk the dog and cry, I kicked the doors, it was so frustrating, just hang on in there)
 
diamondlil said:
Baby koalas die unless they eat the poo from their mother to give them the bacteria to enable them to break down eucalyptus leaves!
Fingers crossed for your snake here, how is her weight doing?
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Last time I weighed her she was 478 (at the VET) so I think she must be around 425 now, she was around 605 before the problems. Her backbone is slightly visible but only if you look for it. So she is not starving yet at all. But her muscle tension/power is pretty low, which is to be expected of course. Not that she seems limp or is not moving around, she still tries to get away when I handle her but she is just half as strong as she used to be.

Since she has eaten the 3 small meals she seems not to have gotten skinnier. Since I want to maintain this, I hope to add enough nutritients with the kitten milk.

She has not eaten the fuzzie so I took it out this morning. Since I figured the milk might fill her stomach too much I decided to change plans a little and try another pink or small fuzzie on Wednesday, if she has not eaten it on Thursday morning I'll syringe 1 bigger portion of kitten milk in the evening instead of smaller portions every other day. Then I can offer a live pink after the weekend if I've been to my mice supplier.

Any input or suggestions are very welcome, thanks so far the people who post.
 
Thanks Lil!

I can change to liquified cat food but have not figured out yet how to get it in properly... I have a giant syringe now but cannot get it in deep enough because the 'content tube' is too thick to put between her jaws and push the pointy part a bit into her throat... *sigh*
 
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