Does this look like a hypo lavender?

[Serpwidgets]

I agree: if it's a female, it could definitely be a hypolav. There have been a lot of people who got female hypolavs and couldn't believe it really was a hypo because they look so different from the males.

I think hypolavs make a very strong case for male/female dimorphism in corns. Check out the picture on page 54 in the Morph Guide. I think that is a typical example of the male/female difference to expect, and I've never seen or heard of a female that would contradict it... (so far. )

I look forward to seeing Carol's adult female hypolav pics, too.

 

[ecreipeoj]

I have a similar situation to Jason‘s. It is hard for me to believe that both of these snakes are Hypo Lavenders, but since I have not produced any, I have no experience to help with my opinion. They were sold as a pair of Hypo Lavs and unfortunately the female did not produce any offspring this year even though they bred several times.

The Male was bred to a very old Hypo that I have and some Crimsons and produced all hypo offspring so he is at least Homo for hypo. He may be homo for something else as well. (Second hypo gene, “Sunset” or other)

I have seen post by Rich Z and Mike P that “Cotton Candy” type Hypo Lav females have been produced, but I haven’t seen any photos of them. The 1.2 Ice Lavs (Lava Lavs) that I produced this year seem to support the sex linked thesis developing that males can have much more pink coloration than females from the same line. They are many questions that need to be answered.

Is there more than one source of the pink coloration in Corns? Is there a recessive or co-dominant mutant gene that causes pink coloration or is it just from normal genes. There are many other lines of Corns that suggest a sex linked pink coloration that many people have suggested such as Serpwidgets.

I have an extremely saturated red amel, that I call “Fire” that I bred to several females this year. Not only did I get more Amels with his intense red coloration, but the Snows that he produced are turning out as pink as any Coral that I have ever seen. Is one cause of the pink coloration in Corns a Red rather than Orange Color in Amels? What exactly does Anery A remove? Red or Orange or other?

 

[robertwallace]

I have a pair of Hypo Lavs,and they are very different from male to female.In my opinion,there are so many different color variations in hypo lavs,but they are still hypo lavs.My male is so pink and his lavender is so light.He's awesome.

My female has some pink starting on the head and neck,but her saddles are a nice light grey at this moment.They are 6 months old and change every shed.My hypo female is starting to look like the female in question on this thread.

So in my opinion she is Hypo Lav!!!!!!

 

[Serpwidgets]

Is there more than one source of the pink coloration in Corns? Is there a recessive or co-dominant mutant gene that causes pink coloration or is it just from normal genes.

If there is a source and it's on the Z chromosome, it could explain what we're seeing. Males have ZZ and females have ZW. Males can get a "double dose" of something coming from the Z chromosome, and this could easily produce different phenotypes.

Another thought is that maybe it's the hypo gene at work. Maybe this action is too subtle for us to see in normal hypos. Of course this could be ruled out if the hypo gene were eliminated as a possibility in the pink snows and such. But this doesn't necessarily explain the male/female differences that have been observed.

Now I'm curious to see if male/female coral snows are different.

I have seen post by Rich Z and Mike P that “Cotton Candy” type Hypo Lav females have been produced, but I haven’t seen any photos of them.

I would love to see the extreme females mentioned, especially compared to males, even better if they're compared to male siblings.

 

[stephen]

a female hypo lav!

here is a pic of a female hypo lavender from Stephen Roylance, she is alot different than the hypos I have seen :uhoh:

 

[robertwallace]

Whow Stephen,I really like the orange coloration!

 

[Jynx]

I too have noticed a difference in my pair of hypo lavs. My male is way lighter than me female. The male looking almost snow like, and the female just barely lighter than my regular lavs. Does ANYONE have an adult female regular lav to hypo lav comparison? If I had a digital camera that actually $#@&%*! right now, I would be able to post pics (sorry but I'm very bitter...just bought the %$@#&^ things 3 months ago....) GRRRR!

 

[Jason B.]

pics one and two comparing 2003 lavender and 2003 hypo lavender(both females). Pic three proves a theory that I have had for a while now: Hypo lavs are liberals. :laugh01:

 

[TBurkeIII]

that is great !!!! LOL

 

[Hurley]

Unfortunately I don't have an adult female hypolavender or lavender for comparison, but here are a pair of 2004 hypolavs. This female and the other not pictured have identical coloration - darker than the hypo lav, but much lighter than a lavender female I sold (wish I had a comparison picture with her in there, too.)

And here are a couple photos with the same pair of 2004's along side an adult male hypo lavender (their father). These kids came out of a pairing of this hypo lav male to a hypo female het for lavender.

 

[TBurkeIII]

those are great pics...thanks for sharing

 

[carol]

I'll try and get a pic of my adult female tonight, she should have shed by now. In the meantime, here are some baby comparison pics. If you don't separate these females early on, you will be kicking yourself later. In the first pic is a female hypo lav.Both of the two snakes in the second picture are her sister Lavs (not Hypos) even though one is very much lighter than the other, it just shows how variable they are. It really seems to me that the female/male Hypo Lavs all look the same out of the egg, but over time the males get lighter and the females seem to get darker. :shrugs: Hurley did your pair of Hypo Lavs look the same out of the egg, or were they different from the very start? 2005 will be my third year hatching these critters, and with the same parents every time, so with my limited experience I don't get to compare much. The last pic is of all my females from this years first clutch, Hypos, Hypo Lavs, and Lavs. If you have a good eye you can spot each of the three previously pictured lavs/hypo lav even though the light little lav is only showing her head. As you can see, there are dramatic differences when they are hatchlings, but as they get older they start looking less and less different, and as they become little individuals, thier variation can really give you a headache when trying to label stuff late. Which seems really weird that a Hypo anything would get darker over time.

 

[Jynx]

hey thats my girl!

 

[ecreipeoj]

I would love to see the extreme females mentioned, especially compared to males, even better if they're compared to male siblings.

Tom Burke III just posted a photo of one on a thread called 04 Hypo Lav. Maybe he can post the same photo here. There doesn't seem to be a need to see her compared to a sibling. She is obviously a "Cotton Candy" type.

This is one of the girls that Mike P told me about. It doesn't add up, considering Hurley's clutch with such sex variation was from a Hypo Lav X Hypo het Lav. They all have to be Hypos. What is up?

 

[Hurley]

Well, considering the parents came from Rich... you just never know what is floating around. We'll prove them out eventually. The pairing was repeated this year, so we'll see what we get from it. They should be hatching in March. More photos will be forthcoming.

Hypo het Lav X Lavender

 

[Hurley]

These photos don't really do them justice, but here are a couple shots a few weeks apart of the hypo lav male with his sibling hypo lav females and a picture of a lavender out of our lavender male (not even het hypo) for comparison. Unfortunately, I never got pictures with them all together. :nope: The lavender was a dark mocha out of the egg, switching to a deep purple, no tinge of orange on her at all, ever (during her first few months before I sold her). The others when they hatched were orange tinged and gained more with age. The female hypo lavs were always darker than the male hypo lav, right out of the egg.

Shrug? We'll get a chance in a couple years to see what they are.

Here's the comparison collage:

 

[Serpwidgets]

Tom Burke III just posted a photo of one on a thread called 04 Hypo Lav. Maybe he can post the same photo here. There doesn't seem to be a need to see her compared to a sibling. She is obviously a "Cotton Candy" type.

Yeah she has a LOT of orange! The color of the saddles seems dark like the typical females, though. (At least from here.)

 

[carol]

Here we go, we call her the "ugly" one. She just doesn't compete with the one I posted earlier in this thread. However, she had 6 out 6 eggs turn out Hypo when bred to a Ghost Stripe Motley....

 

[robertwallace]

Whow,I sure do love the lavs!Awesome pics everybody.