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Feeding Enclosure

Roy Munson said:
I would definitely place CAV and Larry into separate feeding enclosures.
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No need! I hear Ol' Larry is paper trained!


larryg said:
Yeah, all those people making all those 'my snake won't eat' posts simply have overactive imaginations.
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*whispers* PSSST! Larry! I'll let ya in on a little "forum expert" secret if you promise not to tell anyone from the unknowing masses. :uhoh:

Feeding issues are normally husbandry related.......

Of course you already knew that, I'm sure. ;)

BTW, you never answered my questons about 1) what is stress, and 2) what are the symptoms. I'll wait patiently now whilst you rearm yourself with another witty and cleverly worded comeback in our battle of wits. :)
 
If someone wants to feed their snake in the viv they house them in "SO WHAT". It is their snake and if they are using news paper, paper towles or an other substrate be sides aspen chips what is the big deal? The only reason i feed my snakes in seperate containers is so I can clean their viv's.
 
Just to add a little fuel to this fire......

I feed almost all of my adult, yearling and slightly older hatchlings in their enclosure. I try to give them a feeding plate or other object to feed on to keep them out of the aspen substrate.

The only real problem I have, other then the occasional drag around-get aspen on mouse issue is snakes with a hungry, strong feeding response.
I have had snakes lunge out of the box as soon as it's opened and latch onto the first thing possible. I've had to remove 5 ft snakes coiled around my arm with teeth embedded in my thumb more then once. Being bitten is no real danger (to you) but you can seriously injure the snake if you respond irrationally.

Snakes can learn in my opinion. If they are used to being taken out of the enclosure and fed in a separate container then you are less likely to be bitten when you open the enclosure just to handle the snake.
 
Seriously though, there is one other consideration that some discount, but that I'm still not ready to dismiss: behavioral conditioning. In my 21 years dealing with corns, I've seen examples where snakes seem to become conditioned to associate cage openings with feedings. My examples are inconsistent and are mostly associated with offering live rodents, but I think the possibility (risk) exists. But for the most part I feed in a separate tub just to give myself the opportunity to clean their sterilites and water dishes properly.
 
Clint Boyer said:
The only real problem I have, other then the occasional drag around-get aspen on mouse issue is snakes with a hungry, strong feeding response.
I have had snakes lunge out of the box as soon as it's opened and latch onto the first thing possible.

Snakes can learn in my opinion. If they are used to being taken out of the enclosure and fed in a separate container then you are less likely to be bitten when you open the enclosure just to handle the snake.
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Yup. You were a step ahead of me. :)
 
Roy Munson said:
Seriously though, there is one other consideration that some discount, but that I'm still not ready to dismiss: behavioral conditioning. In my 21 years dealing with corns, I've seen examples where snakes seem to become conditioned to associate cage openings with feedings. My examples are inconsistent and are mostly associated with offering live rodents, but I think the possibility (risk) exists. But for the most part I feed in a separate tub just to give myself the opportunity to clean their sterilites and water dishes properly.
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When I feed my snakes in their glass aquariums, I get to watch them eat (for what that's worth.) My Dobermans have pretty much densensitized any fears I might have had, as far as being nipped by a Cornsnake. But that could be a reason for some people to feed in a separate container, especially if they have hemophilia, AIDS, or some other immune or bleeding problem, when a Cornsnake nip could be a real medical risk.
 
larryg said:
When I feed my snakes in their glass aquariums, I get to watch them eat (for what that's worth.) My Dobermans have pretty much densensitized any fears I might have had, as far as being nipped by a Cornsnake. But that could be a reason for some people to feed in a separate container, especially if they have hemophilia, AIDS, or some other immune or bleeding problem, when a Cornsnake nip could be a real medical risk.
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I'm not really into watching them eat anymore. I'm usually busy while it's going on. Sometimes it's cool to show to someone who's never seen it, but my feeding tubs are nearly transparent, so it's not an issue.

I'm neither afraid of being bitten nor do I have any health problem that would prompt me to extreme caution. But I'd rather NOT be bitten. If snakebites are cumulative badges of macho manliness, I'm still way ahead of the general male population. You may not be afraid of your Dobermans, but I'll bet that if you were doing something that caused them to confuse you with prey, you'd probably do what you could to change that response. It's as simple as that.
 
I'm all for people doing what THEY want with their own snakes. It just bugs me when I see other people dispensing advice, like 'You should ALWAYS feed Corns in a separate feeding container, period.' Sure, you may have the occasional snake that requires special handling to avoid that hyper feeding response, but most Corns don't. So far, I think we have these possible reasons for needing to feed in a separate area...

- Substrate incompatibility

- Housing more than one snake per cage (not recommended)

- Snakes that seem to be learning to strike at anything, as soon as the cage is opened (the exception, not the rule)
 
The funny thing is

larryg said:
I'm all for people doing what THEY want with their own snakes. It just bugs me when I see other people dispensing advice, like 'You should ALWAYS feed Corns in a separate feeding container, period.'
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There is not a single post in this entire thread in which someone makes the statement "You should ALWAYS feed Corns in a separate feeding container, period."

Seems to me (based on this thread and many others) that "what really bugs you" is having someone disagree with Larry's point of view. :)
 
CAV said:
Feeding issues are normally husbandry related.......
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With only a few exceptions, all of the "problem feeding" hatchlings I have dealt with suddenly are no longer "problematic" when I offer them anole-scented pinkies or just straight-up anoles.
 
Sure, you may have the occasional snake that requires special handling to avoid that hyper feeding response, but most Corns don't.
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I'd say that 30%-40% of my snakes will lunge when the box is opened and something moves within its sight.
Of course, this is just experience I've encounterd in my collection.
 
CAV said:
There is not a single post in this entire thread in which someone makes the statement "You should ALWAYS feed Corns in a separate feeding container, period."

Seems to me (based on this thread and many others) that "what really bugs you" is having someone disagree with Larry's point of view. :)
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The above is an overly simplistic response, which in itself does 'bug me.' I tend to look at things in terms of contingencies and probabilities. I don't have a very 'one size fits all' type of mind, and those types of answers are what bother me. If you have some other issues to bring to the table, to discuss, you should do so - instead of implying that I am a crackpot who routinely expresses contrary opinions in 'many' threads. Just for the heck of it, I tried feeding my fussy WC Miami in a separate container today, and she would not eat.
 
Simplistic response? It was a completely true statement wasn't it Larry?

larryg said:
If you have some other issues to bring to the table, to discuss, you should do so - instead of implying that I am a crackpot who routinely expresses contrary opinions in 'many' threads.
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Actually, I've been quite overt in this thread. You're just about the last person on the forum that hasn't figured that out. ;)

Maybe I gave you too much credit. Surely you can come up with a better response than that last one..............
 
larryg said:
- Housing more than one snake per cage (not recommended)
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Feeding in the same enclosure is also (not recomended) But people do it anyway...obviously people kno the rsiks of feeding in the same tank..just dont come crying to us when ur snake dies of impaction.... :sidestep:

Like ya'll was saying, My friend used to feed her bp in the same tank, now she can't handle it because every time she opens the container it trys to "eat her hand" or just strikes at her.

I feed my snakes (not jsut my corns..my bps and my boa) in seperate containers..and For me, it works, because my snakes well...I guess the know that when they are in that rubbermaid box..that they can look for food. And when they are being handled, they don't look for food. I haven't been bitten yet, (i kno its going to happen sooner or later) .

Anywho...I have quite enjoyed reading this thread! lol
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