Fresh dead vs f/t?

[bitsy]

I don't think anyone's denying him his choice (not sure how we could go about that anyway). Just pointing out that it's based on an erroneous assumption that he's reproducing some kind of natural condition.

The debate doesn't get old for us, in the same way that it doesn't get old for you.

 

[starsevol]

I don't think anyone's denying him his choice (not sure how we could go about that anyway). Just pointing out that it's based on an erroneous assumption that he's reproducing some kind of natural condition.

The debate doesn't get old for us, in the same way that it doesn't get old for you.

Nope, doesn't get old for me either.
At least we don't lie.
We don't say we are leaving the site and then come back and post the next day. So not only is Legion a horrible snake keeper, and has admitted to being a drunken troll, but is also a liar. Hardly a great example for this community.

David, you can do what you want. But feeding ft is far superior to live feeding in every way, and the best keepers feed that way.
The uneducated, the cruel, and the ....well let's just say "disturbed" feed live.
Unless of course the snake would starve to death otherwise, and those animals are few and far between.

 

[7legion77]

Just pointing out that it's based on an erroneous assumption that he's reproducing some kind of natural condition.

You have no proof of this. Not as black and white as you think.

The debate doesn't get old for us, in the same way that it doesn't get old for you.[/quote]
So have at it.
:twoguns::flames::uzi::realhot::realhot::realhot::devil01::fullauto::madeuce:

 

[beautifullywild77]

I thought you were forever leaving the site? Are we drunk again?

 

[Christen]

WOW I am sure that the OP is thrilled that their, what could have been an educational, thread has turned into another one of these. I am out, I have better things to do with my time. :nope:

 

[7legion77]

Nope, doesn't get old for me either.
At least we don't lie.
We don't say we are leaving the site and then come back and post the next day. So not only is Legion a horrible snake keeper, and has admitted to being a drunken troll, but is also a liar. Hardly a great example for this community.

Yeah, but seeing you guys jumping into this fun debate gain provoked a reply out of me. I was supposed to be banned or something? Dunno why I'm still allowed to post.

But feeding ft is far superior to live feeding in every way, and the best keepers feed that way.

Not factual.

The uneducated, the cruel, and the ....well let's just say "disturbed" feed live.

Not factual.

But I forgive you, you're an emotional lady. Somehow I think you're glad that I'm back.

 

[starsevol]

When you keep a pet, it is your responsibility to take proper care of it. Exposing it to worms and parasites, and possible bite wounds for no good reason is not taking proper care of it. This creature depends on you for its life, and putting your own selfish whims above its well being is more than disgusting.

 

[starsevol]

How is it not superior?
No parasites
no bite wounds
no driving to the pet shop
and easier on the wallet

the only thing missing is that tingling down below.....

Decent keepers do what benefits the animals, not themselves. And if a snake eats f/t there is NO benefit to feeding live.

 

[firfly]

Cant we all just get along...LOL figured someone wouldnt beable to resist, just face it you love the debate. Back to my small colony for feeding, so I guess the best way to start a parasite free colony or as close as one can get would be to purchase a couple of adult mice, from a trusted breeder, and have them tested by the vet. After which I could CO gas them and vaccum pack them for the freezer. That way I would have what I needed saved up and could sale the rest. On the plus side I would know exactly what they where feed for nutritional purposes, and this would be cheaper for me as breeding containers, and extra room for the project wouldnt be a problem.

 

[7legion77]

I have realized the error of my ways! In a sudden epiphany it dawned on my how bestial my practices of feeding live truly were.

You win! I am hence enlightened, and have changed my feeding practices.

Since I am a person of perfect morality, here is the ONLY and SUPERIOR way to feed:

I have now built a mouse sanctuary in my back yard. I go to every pet store and buy all the live mice I can and rescue them from the abyss.
They are escorted to private limos and taken to Mousetopia.
ALL my mice live a long and fulfilling life in their little town that I've created for them. Mousetopia is equipped with water parks, tropical resorts, and hotels with casinos and little mouse restaurants. I love my mice like their my own kind. After forming families and creating loving bonds, once grandpa mouse dies of old age he is put in a casket and carried down to the snake's vivarium in a mouse funeral march. The casket then opens from the bottom and Jerry III, may his soul rest eternally, falls down into the snake crib as I get on my knees to thank the mouse for his noble sacrifice.
Then my pampered spoiled baby mama's snake child is hand fed because my baby darling would never kill a thing!

 

[firfly]

I have realized the error of my ways! In a sudden epiphany it dawned on my how bestial my practices of feeding live truly were.

You win! I am hence enlightened, and have changed my feeding practices.

Since I am a person of perfect morality, here is the ONLY and SUPERIOR way to feed:

I have now built a mouse sanctuary in my back yard. I go to every pet store and buy all the live mice I can and rescue them from the abyss.
They are escorted to private limos and taken to Mousetopia.
ALL my mice live a long and fulfilling life in their little town that I've created for them. Mousetopia is equipped with water parks, tropical resorts, and hotels with casinos and little mouse restaurants. I love my mice like their my own kind. After forming families and creating loving bonds, once grandpa mouse dies of old age he is put in a casket and carried down to the snake's vivarium in a mouse funeral march. The casket then opens from the bottom and Jerry III, may his soul rest eternally, falls down into the snake crib as I get on my knees to thank the mouse for his noble sacrifice.
Then my pampered spoiled baby mama's snake child is hand fed because my baby darling would never kill a thing!

LOL.. I am putting in a gas chamber, and you have built mousetopia complete with water parks, I want one!:laugh:

 

[bitsy]

Just pointing out that it's based on an erroneous assumption that he's reproducing some kind of natural condition.

You have no proof of this.

Proof of which bit?

Proof that he thinks this? Check a few posts up. There it is. I've no doubt that it's a genuinely held belief and that there's a real desire to do right by the snake. It's just wrong.

Apart from that...

er... You want me to *prove* that putting a mouse and a snake together in an enclosed space where they can neither of them escape from the other, is different to them meeting in the wild and having the opportunity to get away from each other...??

This is getting waaay too existential for me. I clearly haven't drunk enough to keep up with the logic being used here. I'm also outta here. Have fun!

 

[Shiari]

I'm trying to figure out how Legion went from this

Since he's moved on to adult mice, (mice really scare me and I cannot actually touch them) for him to never get bitten again, I've taken to throwing it in his tank and then bashing it with a wrench, to hopefully kill it, but I haven't succeeded yet, usually the mouse ends up maimed and mangled dying a slow inhumane death but it doesn't stand a fighting chance and wraith will come and finish it off.

And this

I admit it's a horrible death for the mouse, I need to figure out a way to prekill it without actually touching it.

And even more so this

Also, I honestly believe prekilled is the best way to go.

And this

But feeding live was always a nerve-racking experience. Adult mice look so agile and alert like they could easily injure a snake, while the snake tries to rely purely on stealth & muscle. Plus its unnatural.

Aaaaaand this

Perhaps I'll get over my phobia, put on gloves and try to snap their neck, because when I die I sure hope my death would be instant and painless. Circle of life indeed.

To ye aulde psychosexual thrill of watching the mouse die in just a three month span.

And how he can say it's worth the risks, when in late december, he himself said that his snake may have been bit...

During his first shed, about 2 weeks ago, I made the mistake of feeding him two live mice. It took him several tries to get the second one. After a while, I handled him and noticed some nicks on his skin, nothing serious at all but they might have been bites,

They weren't serious.... *that* time....

Legion. No snark. No snide-

How much of your recent posting on this topic is because of the remarks you received in that very first post? How much of this is a grudge? Some of the replies to you thread about the awful shed had *me* cringing... and we both know I tend to be blunt and sometimes aggressive.

 

[starsevol]

Megan, I can't rep you (again), but you are awesome! Great detective work!!

 

[Outcast]

David, it's your choice entirely. These people always say same thing because they feel sorry for the mouse, they're on a propaganda mission of some kind.

If you're aware of the risks, go ahead and feed live just make sure the snake is ravenously hungry. And if these folks get their panties in a bunch don't waste your time, I'm amazed how this doesn't get old for them.

David. Legion is telling you to starve your snake, so its feeding response is strong enough to kill the mouse before it gets bit...

This guy is one of the most ignorant people who I have seen come on this site. He has flip-flopped on his stance so many times it is unbearable. And now he is just trying to cause problems and make us loose our tempers.

If you want to feed live, that is your prerogative, but just do a search of bad experiences with live feeding and I am sure that you can find lots of pictures.
Sure, those pictures do not happen often, but most of us do not want to take that chance with our snakes. It is not because we are all some "bleeding hearts" for mice. Most of us want what is best for our snakes, and if feeding F/T looses just a tiny amount of nutritional value. To me that is still much safer than dealing with a possible problem with having the mouse kill your snake.

For the record, Legion has very little experience with snakes, it shows in all of their posts. This person comes on here just to cause issues with all of the rest of us. I haven't read all of the thread that this person is part of, so I do not know why they changed from someone that wanted to learn about snakes, to someone who wants to troll the forums and cause problems. Perhaps someone made them mad a while back. But who knows for sure, Only Legion could tell you why they are that way... but I doubt that this person even knows why anymore themselves.

 

[7legion77]

What I find funny is how excited everyone gets every time I say something. I've become such a lightning rod here.

Admit it, you get some kind of pleasure out of ganging up on one person.

Burn the troll! Burn the troll!:flames:

 

[Outcast]

What I find funny is how excited everyone gets every time I say something. I've become such a lightning rod here.

Admit it, you get some kind of pleasure out of ganging up on one person.

Burn the troll! Burn the troll!:flames:

You are not the eternal victim, no matter how much you believe you are. In fact, you have instigated arguments about 90% of the time that you are involved, and that is a conservative number. You say things with full intention of causing problems. And, then you try to garner pity by claiming that everyone gangs up on you...
My advice, grow up and stop acting like a 6 year old. Life will be much better for you if you learn how to respect others, and don't try to constantly start arguments.

 

[firfly]

I guess the best, place to fish is where, the fish bite, anything that hits t.he water. Psisycosexual thrill, the only psychpsexual thrill I see here is someone who enjoys a little argument. However he isnt the only one is he now? Half of what Ive read posted by Legion is to get you all riled up throwing chum in the water and the same people who know better bite every time and completely ruin a useful thread. I think someone should post an live vs f/t argument thread I would venture to say it would have more replies in 24 hrs than any other thread.

 

[firfly]

Not much for texting sorry for the spelling.

 

[Shiari]

Firfly, you don't have a terribly good memory for quotes, do you. Legion said that watching his snake kill gives him a psychosexual thrill.

And I'd like to know why *we* need to grow up, but the one throwing chum just gets a "lol" from you? Biased much?